IN|IN THE|DT UNITED|NNP STATES|NNS DISTRICT|JJ COURT|NN FOR|IN THE|DT MIDDLE|NNP DISTRICT|JJ OF|IN PENNSYLVANIA|NNP 
Case|NNP Number|NNP 4:04|NN -|: CV-|NNP 02688|CD TAMMY|NNP J.|NN KITZMILLER|NNP ,|, et|CC al.|NN ,|, Plaintiffs|NNS vs.|NN DOVER|NNP AREA|NN SCHOOL|NNP DISTRICT|JJ ;|: DOVER|NNP AREA|NN SCHOOL|NNP DISTRICT|JJ BOARD|NNP OF|IN DIRECTORS|NNP ,|, Defendants|NNS 
AFTERNOON|NNP SESSION|NNP 
TRANSCRIPT|NNP OF|IN PROCEEDINGS|NNS OF|IN BENCH|NNP TRIAL|NN 
Before|IN :|: HONORABLE|NNP JOHN|NNP E.|NN JONES|NNP ,|, III|NNP 
Date|NN :|: September|NNP 28|CD ,|, 
Place|NN :|: Courtroom|NNP Number|NNP 2|CD ,|, 9th|CD Floor|NNP Federal|NNP Building|NNP Walnut|NNP Street|NNP Harrisburg|NNP ,|, Pennsylvania|NNP 
COUNSEL|NN PRESENT|NNP :|: 
ERIC|NNP J.|NN ROTHSCHILD|NNP ,|, ESQ|NNP .|. 
WITOLD|NNP J.|NN WALCZAK|NNP ,|, ESQ|NNP .|. 
STEPHEN|NNP G.|NN HARVEY|NNP ,|, ESQ|NNP .|. 
RICHARD|NNP B.|NN KATSKEE|NNP ,|, ESQ|NNP .|. 
For|IN Plaintiffs|NNS 
PATRICK|NNP T.|NN GILLEN|NNP ,|, ESQ|NNP .|. 
RICHARD|NNP THOMPSON|NNP ,|, ESQ|NNP .|. 
ROBERT|NNP J.|NN MUISE|NNP ,|, EQ|NNP For|IN Defendants|NNS 
Lori|NNP A.|NN Shuey|NNP ,|, RPR|NNP ,|, CRR|NNP Official|NNP Court|NNP Reporter|NNP 
INDEX|NN 
WITNESSES|NNP 
For|IN Plaintiffs|NNS :|: Julie|NNP Smith|NNP Christy|NNP Rehm|NNP Beth|NNP Eveland|NNP 
(|( The|DT following|VBG discussion|NN occurred|VBD in|IN chambers|NNS :|: 
)|) Let|VB 's|PRP go|VB on|IN the|DT record|NN .|. 
We|PRP are|VBP in|IN chambers|NNS ,|, and|CC this|DT is|VBZ the|DT matter|NN of|IN Kitzmiller|NNP ,|, of|IN course|NN ,|, versus|CC Dover|NNP Area|NNP School|NNP District|NNP .|. 
We|PRP have|VBP assembled|VBN as|IN planned|VBN with|IN respect|NN to|TO the|DT issue|NN of|IN certain|JJ subpoenas|NNS that|WDT have|VBP been|VBN issued|VBN to|TO reporters|NNS Joseph|NNP Maldonado|NNP and|CC Heidi|NNP Bernhard-|NNP Bubb|NNP .|. 
Present|VB in|IN chambers|NNS are|VBP counsel|NN for|IN both|DT the|DT plaintiffs|NNS and|CC the|DT defendants|NNS ,|, and|CC in|IN addition|NN to|TO that|DT ,|, let|VB me|PRP ask|VB that|IN you|PRP enter|VBP your|PRP$ appearances|NNS specially|RB ,|, presumably|RB as|IN counsel|NN for|IN the|DT individuals|NNS we|PRP referred|VBD to|TO in|IN our|PRP$ orders|NNS collectively|RB as|IN "|'' reporters|NNS .|. "|'' 
I|PRP 'm|VBP here|RB ,|, Niles|NNP Benn|NNP ,|, on|IN behalf|NN of|IN both|DT of|IN the|DT reporters|NNS ,|, Heidi|NNP Bernard-|NNP Bubb|NNP and|CC Joseph|NNP Maldonado|NNP .|. 
And|CC with|IN me|PRP is|VBZ Terance|NNP Barna|NNP ,|, an|DT attorney|NN in|IN my|PRP$ office|NN ,|, as|RB well|RB .|. 
All|DT right|JJ .|. 
Now|RB ,|, previously|RB ,|, on|IN September|NNP 12th|JJ ,|, the|DT Court|NNP entered|VBD an|DT order|NN which|WDT went|VBD to|TO the|DT motion|NN for|IN reconsideration|NN .|. 
That|DT related|VBN specifically|RB to|TO --|: filed|VBN by|IN the|DT reporters|NNS .|. 
That|DT went|VBD specifically|RB to|TO our|PRP$ August|NNP 2nd|CD order|NN which|WDT ,|, in|IN effect|NN ,|, said|VBD that|IN the|DT reporters|NNS would|MD have|VB to|TO testify|VB at|IN certain|JJ depositions|NNS .|. 
Subsequently|RB ,|, the|DT reporters|NNS were|VBD ,|, if|IN memory|NN serves|VBZ ,|, approximately|RB eight|CD days|NNS ago|RB ,|, subpoenaed|VBN to|TO testify|VB by|IN the|DT plaintiffs|NNS in|IN the|DT case-in-chief|JJ .|. 
Yet|RB another|DT motion|NN to|TO quash|NN or|CC for|IN alternative|JJ relief|NN was|VBD filed|VBN by|IN the|DT reporters|NNS through|IN Mr.|NN Benn|NNP 's|POS office|NN .|. 
By|IN our|PRP$ order|NN of|IN last|JJ Thursday|NNP --|: the|DT date|NN escapes|NNS me|PRP ,|, I|PRP think|VBP it|PRP was|VBD Thursday|NNP --|: the|DT Court|NNP denied|VBD relief|NN in|IN that|DT matter|NN .|. 
The|DT Court|NNP was|VBD advised|VBN that|DT yesterday|NN ,|, on|IN September|NNP the|DT 27th|JJ ,|, the|DT reporters|NNS ,|, both|DT of|IN them|PRP ,|, showed|VBD up|RB at|IN the|DT appointed|JJ times|NNS for|IN their|PRP$ depositions|NNS as|RB appropriately|RB scheduled|VBN by|IN the|DT defendants|NNS ,|, and|CC I|PRP 'm|VBP advised|VBN --|: and|CC I|PRP 'll|MD correct|VB this|DT if|IN I|PRP 'm|VBP wrong|JJ --|: that|IN both|DT reporters|NNS cited|VBD the|DT reporter|NN 's|POS privilege|NN that|IN they|PRP consider|VBP to|TO exist|VB under|IN the|DT First|CD Amendment|NNP so|IN that|IN they|PRP would|MD not|RB answer|VB any|DT questions|NNS at|IN those|DT depositions|NNS .|. 
We|PRP 're|VBP brought|VBN here|RB today|NN by|IN that|DT ,|, as|RB well|RB as|IN the|DT fact|NN that|IN I|PRP presume|NN you|PRP 're|VBP here|RB because|IN the|DT reporters|NNS have|VBP been|VBN properly|RB subpoenaed|VBN to|TO appear|VB in|IN the|DT plaintiffs|NNS '|POS case-in-chief|JJ .|. 
Now|RB ,|, have|VBP I|PRP mischaracterized|JJ anything|NN from|IN your|PRP$ standpoint|NN ?|. 
No|DT ,|, everything|NN that|IN you|PRP said|VBD is|VBZ correct|JJ ,|, Your|PRP$ Honor|NNP .|. 
Now|RB ,|, the|DT most|JJS salient|NN question|NN then|RB is|VBZ ,|, with|IN respect|NN to|TO the|DT reporters|NNS '|POS appearance|NN today|NN ,|, is|VBZ it|PRP your|PRP$ understanding|NN that|IN the|DT reporters|NNS are|VBP intending|VBG to|TO invoke|VB the|DT same|JJ privilege|NN cited|VBN by|IN them|PRP yesterday|NN ,|, if|IN called|VBN ,|, when|WRB called|VBN ,|, to|TO testify|VB by|IN the|DT plaintiffs|NNS ?|. 
Yes|UH .|. 
All|DT right|JJ .|. 
But|CC that|DT 's|VBZ the|DT reason|NN why|WRB I|PRP had|VBD asked|VBN if|IN we|PRP could|MD have|VB this|DT conference|NN .|. 
The|DT floor|NN is|VBZ yours|NNS .|. 
Thanks|NNS .|. 
I|PRP 'm|VBP not|RB here|RB to|TO discuss|VB law|NN .|. 
I|PRP think|VBP we|PRP have|VBP discussed|VBN the|DT law|NN ad|NN nauseam|NN with|IN respect|NN to|TO briefs|NNS ,|, argument|NN .|. 
I|PRP certainly|RB understand|VBP the|DT opinion|NN and|CC orders|NNS that|WDT have|VBP been|VBN rendered|VBN by|IN the|DT Court|NNP ,|, and|CC I|PRP appreciate|VBP them|PRP .|. 
And|CC I|PRP do|VBP n't|RB want|VB there|EX to|TO be|VB a|DT misunderstanding|VBG in|IN terms|NNS as|IN to|TO this|DT case|NN being|VBG wrongly|RB focused|VBN .|. 
And|CC what|WP I|PRP mean|VBP by|IN that|DT ,|, with|IN regard|NN to|TO all|DT of|IN you|PRP in|IN this|DT room|NN is|VBZ that|IN we|PRP 've|VBP got|VBN approximately|RB 40|CD people|NNS from|IN the|DT media|NNS that|WDT are|VBP observing|VBG this|DT trial|NN in|IN the|DT courtroom|NN ,|, plus|CC outside|IN of|IN the|DT courtroom|NN .|. 
In|IN speaking|VBG for|IN myself|PRP ,|, it|PRP would|MD be|VB my|PRP$ humble|JJ opinion|NN that|IN if|IN these|DT parties|NNS were|VBD called|VBN to|TO the|DT stand|NN to|TO testify|VB and|CC refuse|VB to|TO testify|VB ,|, as|IN I|PRP just|RB indicated|VBD to|TO you|PRP ,|, Your|PRP$ Honor|NNP ,|, that|IN I|PRP think|VBP the|DT focus|NN of|IN this|DT trial|NN all|DT of|IN the|DT sudden|JJ is|VBZ n't|RB addressed|VBN as|IN to|TO intelligent|JJ design|NN ,|, but|CC rather|RB the|DT media|NNS is|VBZ going|VBG to|TO be|VB very|RB much|RB concerned|VBN in|IN terms|NNS as|IN to|TO these|DT stringers|NNS ,|, not|RB full-time|JJ employees|NNS ,|, not|RB employees|NNS at|IN all|DT ,|, standing|NN up|RP for|IN what|WP they|PRP think|VBP is|VBZ right|JJ .|. 
And|CC I|PRP really|RB truly|RB believe|VBP in|IN my|PRP$ heart|NN of|IN hearts|NNS the|DT focus|NN gets|VBZ misdirected|JJ .|. 
I|PRP really|RB truly|RB do|VBP mean|VB that|RB ,|, because|IN I|PRP do|VBP n't|RB think|VB that|WDT should|MD be|VB the|DT focus|NN of|IN this|DT case|NN .|. 
As|IN a|DT result|NN of|IN that|DT ,|, Mr.|NN Barna|NNP and|CC I|PRP have|VBP spent|VBN days|NNS in|IN an|DT effort|NN to|TO try|VB to|TO see|VB if|IN there|EX was|VBD a|DT means|NN by|IN which|WDT we|PRP could|MD somehow|RB ameliorate|NN the|DT problem|NN so|IN that|RB ,|, in|IN a|DT certain|JJ sense|NN ,|, everybody|NN gets|VBZ what|WP they|PRP want|VBP .|. 
I|PRP clearly|RB will|MD not|RB get|VB what|WP I|PRP want|VBP ,|, because|IN at|IN the|DT end|NN of|IN the|DT day|NN ,|, if|IN I|PRP agree|VBP that|IN my|PRP$ reporters|NNS are|VBP going|VBG to|TO testify|VB predicated|VBN upon|IN something|NN that|IN I|PRP want|VBP to|TO propose|VB here|RB ,|, that|DT 's|VBZ more|JJR than|IN I|PRP would|MD want|VB ,|, because|IN I|PRP stand|VBP by|IN the|DT fact|NN and|CC they|PRP stand|VBP by|IN the|DT fact|NN that|IN there|EX 's|VBZ a|DT reporter|NN 's|POS privilege|NN here|RB .|. 
They|PRP refuse|VBP to|TO testify|VB at|IN a|DT deposition|NN ,|, and|CC my|PRP$ suggestion|NN to|TO them|PRP was|VBD that|IN if|IN we|PRP were|VBD capable|JJ of|IN resolving|VBG something|NN as|IN a|DT result|NN of|IN this|DT conference|NN ,|, that|IN they|PRP would|MD then|RB attend|VB a|DT deposition|NN ,|, because|IN I|PRP believe|VBP the|DT defendants|NNS would|MD have|VB a|DT right|NN to|TO cross-examine|JJ them|PRP or|CC otherwise|RB examine|VB them|PRP prior|RB to|TO them|PRP taking|VBG the|DT stand|NN .|. 
And|CC based|VBN upon|IN that|DT ,|, they|PRP would|MD then|RB testify|VB in|IN court|NN .|. 
But|CC we|PRP have|VBP several|JJ issues|NNS .|. 
One|CD is|VBZ that|IN when|WRB we|PRP filed|VBD our|PRP$ motion|NN to|TO quash|NN last|JJ week|NN ,|, quite|RB honestly|RB ,|, we|PRP thought|VBD we|PRP did|VBD it|PRP in|IN a|DT timely|JJ fashion|NN because|IN we|PRP filed|VBD it|PRP only|RB after|IN we|PRP were|VBD served|VBN with|IN the|DT subpoena|NN .|. 
Your|PRP$ Honor|NNP summarily|RB dismissed|VBD that|DT motion|NN to|TO quash|NN ,|, so|RB ,|, in|IN effect|NN ,|, if|IN my|PRP$ reporters|NNS were|VBD to|TO be|VB called|VBN upon|IN to|TO testify|VB today|NN by|IN the|DT plaintiffs|NNS ,|, they|PRP 're|VBP undressed|JJ .|. 
They|PRP 've|VBP got|VBN no|DT protective|JJ order|NN at|IN all|DT .|. 
They|PRP 're|VBP just|RB regular|JJ people|NNS .|. 
Because|IN the|DT order|NN I|PRP believe|VBP that|IN you|PRP had|VBD previously|RB entered|VBN related|VBN to|TO the|DT deposition|NN and|CC not|RB related|VBN to|TO their|PRP$ appearance|NN in|IN court|NN .|. 
So|RB that|WDT raises|VBZ an|DT issue|NN for|IN us|PRP because|IN clearly|RB we|PRP would|MD otherwise|RB object|VB to|TO them|PRP taking|VBG the|DT stand|NN under|IN the|DT order|NN as|IN it|PRP currently|RB exists|VBZ or|CC the|DT motion|NN that|IN you|PRP 're|VBP --|: your|PRP$ position|NN that|IN the|DT motion|NN to|TO quash|NN could|MD not|RB stand|VB .|. 
I|PRP interpret|VBP the|DT order|NN and|CC the|DT amended|JJ order|NN to|TO mean|VB that|IN Your|PRP$ Honor|NNP ,|, in|IN a|DT sense|NN ,|, has|VBZ addressed|VBN them|PRP as|IN fact|NN witnesses|NNS .|. 
I|PRP do|VBP n't|RB think|VB you|PRP actually|RB come|VBP out|IN and|CC use|VB the|DT word|NN "|'' fact|NN witnesses|NNS ,|, "|'' but|CC as|IN one|CD reads|VBZ the|DT order|NN ,|, that|DT 's|VBZ the|DT implication|NN .|. 
And|CC you|PRP initially|RB had|VBD indicated|VBN that|IN you|PRP did|VBD not|RB feel|VB that|IN the|DT reporter|NN 's|POS privilege|NN stood|VBD in|IN this|DT kind|NN of|IN a|DT case|NN .|. 
These|DT two|CD newspapers|NNS respectively|RB go|VBP to|TO approximately|RB 89|CD municipal|JJ meetings|NNS in|IN terms|NNS of|IN different|JJ municipalities|NNS and|CC school|NN districts|NNS .|. 
And|CC ironically|RB --|: in|IN a|DT sense|NN ,|, I|PRP have|VBP to|TO commend|VB both|DT Mr.|NN Maldonado|NNP and|CC Ms.|NN Bernard-|NNP Bubb|NNP because|IN ,|, again|RB ,|, they|PRP 're|VBP paid|VBN per|IN story|NN .|. 
They|PRP get|VBP anywhere|RB between|IN $|$ 40|CD and|CC $|$ 50|CD a|DT story|NN .|. 
They|PRP might|MD make|VB $|$ 300|CD ,|, $|$ 400|CD a|DT week|NN if|IN they|PRP write|VBP X|NNP number|NN of|IN stories|NNS ,|, and|CC that|DT 's|VBZ it|PRP .|. 
And|CC the|DT stories|NNS that|IN they|PRP write|VBP predominantly|RB are|VBP municipal|JJ stories|NNS .|. 
She|PRP 's|VBZ a|DT full-time|JJ mom|NN .|. 
She|PRP 's|VBZ breastfeeding|VBG .|. 
She|PRP has|VBZ a|DT seven-month|JJ old|JJ child|NN ,|, and|CC so|IN she|PRP works|VBZ at|IN night|NN when|WRB her|PRP$ husband|NN is|VBZ at|IN home|NN .|. 
He|PRP 's|VBZ a|DT schoolteacher|NN .|. 
Mr.|NN Maldonado|NNP owns|VBZ a|DT little|JJ deli|NNS in|IN the|DT market|NN in|IN York|NNP ,|, and|CC he|PRP home-schools|JJ his|PRP$ son|NN ,|, his|PRP$ youngest|JJS son|NN who|WP has|VBZ learning|VBG disabilities|NNS .|. 
And|CC he|PRP 's|VBZ been|VBN doing|VBG that|IN for|IN the|DT last|JJ three|CD years|NNS .|. 
So|IN this|DT is|VBZ just|RB supplemental|JJ income|NN to|TO them|PRP because|IN they|PRP 're|VBP not|RB very|RB wealthy|JJ people|NNS .|. 
But|CC yet|RB without|IN a|DT lot|NN of|IN education|NN in|IN terms|NNS of|IN journalism|NN ,|, they|PRP believe|VBP that|IN what|WP they|PRP 're|VBP standing|NN for|IN is|VBZ the|DT right|NN thing|NN .|. 
I|PRP do|VBP n't|RB have|VB control|NN over|IN them|PRP as|IN I|PRP would|MD an|DT employee|NN of|IN the|DT Daily|NNP Record|NNP or|CC the|DT Dispatch|NNP because|IN they|PRP are|VBP stringers|NNS and|CC independent|JJ .|. 
So|RB having|VBG said|VBN that|IN ,|, their|PRP$ fear|NN is|VBZ that|IN because|IN of|IN all|PDT those|DT municipalities|NNS that|IN they|PRP cover|VBP and|CC the|DT school|NN districts|NNS that|IN they|PRP cover|VBP ,|, that|IN at|IN least|JJS in|IN the|DT Middle|NNP District|NNP Court|NNP ,|, should|MD a|DT matter|VB come|VB up|RB similar|JJ to|TO this|DT case|NN ,|, then|RB they|PRP are|VBP exposed|VBN as|IN a|DT fact|NN witness|NN .|. 
I|PRP 've|VBP related|VBN to|TO them|PRP ,|, quite|RB frankly|RB ,|, this|DT is|VBZ the|DT first|JJ case|NN we|PRP 've|VBP ever|RB had|VBN in|IN federal|JJ court|NN in|IN the|DT years|NNS that|IN I|PRP 've|VBP been|VBN doing|VBG newspaper|NN law|NN ,|, and|CC most|JJS of|IN our|PRP$ cases|NNS are|VBP in|IN county|NN courts|NNS ,|, and|CC so|RB ,|, you|PRP know|VBP ,|, there|EX 's|VBZ a|DT different|JJ issue|NN there|RB .|. 
But|CC having|VBG said|VBN that|IN ,|, the|DT concern|NN that|IN I|PRP have|VBP is|VBZ that|IN there|EX is|VBZ a|DT precedent|NN being|VBG set|VBN in|IN the|DT counties|NNS that|IN these|DT people|NNS otherwise|RB work|VBP .|. 
So|RB how|WRB do|VBP I|PRP make|VBP it|PRP better|JJR ?|. 
Well|RB ,|, we|PRP provided|VBD an|DT affidavit|NN ,|, and|CC that|DT affidavit|NN indicated|VBD that|IN we|PRP ,|, if|IN called|VBN upon|IN to|TO testify|VB ,|, would|MD validate|NN the|DT authenticity|NN of|IN the|DT articles|NNS that|WDT were|VBD written|VBN .|. 
We|PRP did|VBD that|IN ,|, in|IN effect|NN ,|, to|TO offer|VB to|TO both|DT sides|NNS so|IN that|IN we|PRP would|MD n't|RB otherwise|RB have|VB to|TO testify|VB .|. 
Accepted|JJ by|IN the|DT plaintiffs|NNS ,|, not|RB accepted|VBN by|IN the|DT defendants|NNS .|. 
Defendants|NNS wanted|VBD to|TO have|VB the|DT right|NN of|IN cross-examination|JJ .|. 
And|CC at|IN the|DT time|NN when|WRB you|PRP wrote|VBD the|DT original|JJ order|NN and|CC you|PRP used|VBD the|DT words|NNS "|'' perceived|VBN ,|, saw|VBD ,|, and|CC heard|VBD ,|, "|'' we|PRP were|VBD concerned|VBN ,|, as|IN you|PRP well|RB know|VBP ,|, with|IN the|DT word|NN "|'' perceived|VBN "|'' in|IN terms|NNS as|IN to|TO what|WP 's|VBZ the|DT thought|NN process|NN .|. 
And|CC there|EX was|VBD dialogue|NN on|IN the|DT phone|NN amongst|IN all|DT of|IN us|PRP ,|, and|CC you|PRP made|VBD it|PRP very|RB clear|JJ that|IN you|PRP did|VBD not|RB want|VB any|DT testimony|NN that|WDT would|MD otherwise|RB relate|VB to|TO biases|NNS and|CC prejudices|NNS .|. 
And|CC ,|, in|IN fact|NN ,|, when|WRB you|PRP reviewed|VBD the|DT notes|NNS of|IN the|DT reporters|NNS ,|, you|PRP had|VBD also|RB indicated|VBN that|IN your|PRP$ review|NN of|IN Heidi|NNP Bubb|NNP 's|POS notes|NNS and|CC the|DT e-mails|JJ clearly|RB evidence|NN that|IN there|EX was|VBD no|DT bias|NN in|IN the|DT writings|NNS ,|, those|DT writings|NNS .|. 
The|DT concern|NN that|IN we|PRP currently|RB have|VBP is|VBZ that|IN the|DT order|NN reads|VBZ ,|, in|IN effect|NN ,|, that|IN they|PRP have|VBP to|TO testify|VB as|IN fact|NN witnesses|NNS ,|, predicated|VBN upon|IN my|PRP$ interpretation|NN ,|, as|IN to|TO what|WP is|VBZ otherwise|RB unpublished|JJ material|NN so|IN that|RB ,|, for|IN example|NN --|: just|RB using|VBG this|DT for|IN example|NN .|. 
That|DT 's|VBZ not|RB my|PRP$ intention|NN .|. 
No|DT ,|, no|DT ,|, but|CC I|PRP --|: 
Well|RB ,|, that|DT 's|VBZ not|RB my|PRP$ intention|NN .|. 
And|CC I|PRP wanted|VBD to|TO let|VB you|PRP go|VB as|RB far|RB as|IN you|PRP could|MD ,|, and|CC I|PRP think|VBP I|PRP have|VBP to|TO interject|NN and|CC I|PRP want|VBP to|TO interject|NN and|CC I|PRP want|VBP to|TO be|VB clear|JJ ,|, because|IN I|PRP think|VBP it|PRP 's|VBZ important|JJ that|IN I|PRP do|VBP that|DT .|. 
Let|VB me|PRP address|VB a|DT couple|NN points|NNS that|IN you|PRP made|VBD .|. 
First|LS of|IN all|DT ,|, I|PRP understand|VBP and|CC deeply|RB respect|VB the|DT position|NN that|IN you|PRP 're|VBP in|IN in|IN this|DT case|NN .|. 
And|CC by|IN saying|VBG that|IN the|DT motion|NN was|VBD untimely|RB ,|, it|PRP was|VBD not|RB legally|RB untimely|RB ,|, it|PRP was|VBD untimely|RB in|IN my|PRP$ view|NN only|RB in|IN the|DT sense|NN that|IN it|PRP came|VBD ,|, as|IN I|PRP said|VBD ,|, on|IN the|DT eve|NN of|IN trial|NN ,|, when|WRB we|PRP knew|VBD that|IN there|EX was|VBD going|VBG to|TO be|VB an|DT issue|NN with|IN respect|NN to|TO their|PRP$ testimony|NN at|IN trial|NN .|. 
It|PRP was|VBD an|DT attempt|NN to|TO bring|VB this|DT to|TO a|DT head|NN .|. 
It|PRP was|VBD successful|JJ in|IN that|DT respect|NN .|. 
It|PRP was|VBD not|RB successful|JJ in|IN solving|VBG the|DT problem|NN ,|, but|CC it|PRP was|VBD successful|JJ to|TO bringing|VBG it|PRP to|TO a|DT head|NN .|. 
So|RB to|TO that|DT extent|NN ,|, I|PRP succeeded|VBD ,|, good|JJ ,|, bad|JJ ,|, or|CC indifferent|JJ .|. 
With|IN respect|NN to|TO the|DT point|NN that|IN you|PRP made|VBD as|IN it|PRP relates|VBZ to|TO their|PRP$ testimony|NN at|IN trial|NN ,|, that|WDT is|VBZ a|DT very|RB valid|JJ point|NN .|. 
However|RB ,|, I|PRP will|MD tell|VB you|PRP that|IN the|DT sense|NN of|IN my|PRP$ opinion|NN as|IN it|PRP related|VBD to|TO their|PRP$ deposition|NN testimony|NN and|CC as|IN reconsidered|VBN and|CC as|IN honed|VBN in|IN the|DT reconsideration|NN ,|, was|VBD that|IN it|PRP was|VBD meant|VBN to|TO apply|VB --|: the|DT general|JJ thrust|NN of|IN that|DT ,|, the|DT protections|NNS ,|, if|IN you|PRP will|MD ,|, in|IN that|DT opinion|NN were|VBD meant|VBN to|TO apply|VB in|IN the|DT same|JJ sense|NN to|TO their|PRP$ testimony|NN at|IN trial|NN ,|, if|IN they|PRP chose|VBD to|TO testify|VB ,|, and|CC they|PRP would|MD be|VB protected|VBN in|IN every|DT way|NN by|IN the|DT Court|NNP ,|, and|CC they|PRP would|MD not|RB be|VB questioned|VBN in|IN the|DT broader|JJR sense|NN .|. 
So|IN it|PRP would|MD not|RB revert|NN back|RB to|TO an|DT unprotected|JJ realm|NN ,|, if|IN you|PRP will|MD ,|, at|IN the|DT time|NN of|IN trial|NN .|. 
To|TO be|VB as|RB clear|JJ as|IN I|PRP can|MD be|VB ,|, at|IN issue|NN in|IN this|DT case|NN --|: and|CC I|PRP ca|MD n't|RB particularly|RB be|VB concerned|VBN about|IN precedential|NN value|NN .|. 
I|PRP understand|VBP your|PRP$ concern|NN in|IN that|DT regard|NN .|. 
I|PRP have|VBP to|TO try|VB this|DT case|NN the|DT best|JJS way|NN that|IN I|PRP know|VBP how|WRB .|. 
The|DT concern|NN in|IN this|DT case|NN ,|, and|CC it|PRP is|VBZ a|DT vital|JJ concern|NN by|IN all|DT parties|NNS ,|, is|VBZ that|IN we|PRP have|VBP ,|, as|IN you|PRP well|RB know|VBP ,|, to|TO restate|VB the|DT obvious|JJ ,|, we|PRP have|VBP newspaper|NN articles|NNS within|IN which|WDT there|EX are|VBP quotes|NNS from|IN individuals|NNS .|. 
Those|DT quotes|NNS go|VBP ,|, at|IN least|JJS in|IN one|CD sense|NN ,|, to|TO the|DT purpose|NN behind|IN the|DT policy|NN that|WDT was|VBD enacted|VBN by|IN the|DT Dover|NNP School|NNP Board|NNP .|. 
The|DT simple|JJ issue|NN here|RB ,|, because|IN it|PRP is|VBZ the|DT Court|NNP 's|POS understanding|NN that|IN these|DT individuals|NNS have|VBP denied|VBN that|IN they|PRP made|VBD these|DT remarks|NNS ,|, is|VBZ from|IN the|DT plaintiffs|NNS '|POS standpoint|NN how|WRB can|MD they|PRP get|VB something|NN that|WDT is|VBZ ,|, in|IN my|PRP$ view|NN ,|, on|IN the|DT purpose|NN test|NN ,|, which|WDT clearly|RB goes|VBZ to|TO the|DT truth|NN of|IN the|DT matter|NN asserted|VBD ,|, how|WRB do|VBP they|PRP get|VBP these|DT newspaper|NN articles|NNS into|IN evidence|NN ?|. 
Well|RB ,|, they|PRP ca|MD n't|RB ,|, in|IN my|PRP$ view|NN ,|, without|IN the|DT reporters|NNS testifying|VBG .|. 
The|DT defendants|NNS might|MD say|VB that|IN even|RB with|IN the|DT reporters|NNS testifying|VBG ,|, they|PRP ca|MD n't|RB get|VB them|PRP in|IN .|. 
I|PRP think|VBP that|DT 's|VBZ their|PRP$ argument|NN .|. 
But|CC at|IN the|DT very|RB least|JJS ,|, in|IN my|PRP$ view|NN ,|, and|CC I|PRP think|VBP the|DT plaintiffs|NNS might|MD agree|VB with|IN this|DT ,|, the|DT reporters|NNS would|MD have|VB to|TO testify|VB .|. 
I|PRP did|VBD n't|RB say|VB this|DT strictly|RB in|IN the|DT opinion|NN ,|, perhaps|RB ,|, but|CC my|PRP$ opinion|NN was|VBD not|RB meant|VBN to|TO allow|VB the|DT testimony|NN of|IN the|DT reporters|NNS to|TO go|VB in|IN any|DT way|NN ,|, in|IN particular|JJ ,|, outside|IN the|DT four|CD corners|NNS of|IN the|DT affidavits|NNS rendered|VBN by|IN the|DT reporters|NNS .|. 
I|PRP ca|MD n't|RB say|VB that|IN to|TO the|DT word|NN ,|, and|CC that|DT 's|VBZ why|WRB the|DT opinions|NNS were|VBD crafted|VBN the|DT way|NN that|IN they|PRP were|VBD .|. 
The|DT Court|NNP has|VBZ to|TO have|VB some|DT discretion|NN on|IN the|DT questioning|VBG .|. 
But|CC I|PRP was|VBD as|RB clear|JJ as|IN I|PRP could|MD possibly|RB be|VB that|IN what|WP is|VBZ at|IN issue|NN here|RB would|MD be|VB ,|, for|IN example|NN ,|, the|DT particular|JJ events|NNS that|IN the|DT reporters|NNS wrote|VBD about|IN and|CC questions|NNS such|JJ as|IN --|: simple|JJ questions|NNS ,|, did|VBD they|PRP attend|VBP the|DT meeting|NN ,|, did|VBD they|PRP hear|VBP them|PRP say|VBP the|DT comments|NNS ,|, did|VBD they|PRP write|VBP the|DT story|NN immediately|RB after|RB ,|, did|VBD they|PRP take|VBP notes|NNS at|IN the|DT time|NN of|IN the|DT meeting|NN .|. 
I|PRP thought|VBD my|PRP$ opinion|NN was|VBD clear|JJ in|IN that|DT regard|NN ,|, and|CC as|IN you|PRP appropriately|RB characterize|VBP ,|, no|DT questions|NNS as|IN to|TO bias|NN or|CC motivation|NN or|CC reasons|NNS to|TO misrepresent|VB quotes|NNS would|MD be|VB allowed|VBN in|IN .|. 
There|EX I|PRP believe|VBP we|PRP would|MD decidedly|RB fly|VB in|IN the|DT face|NN of|IN established|VBN case|NN law|NN .|. 
I|PRP did|VBD not|RB view|VB and|CC do|VBP not|RB view|VB the|DT law|NN as|IN providing|VBG that|IN there|EX is|VBZ some|DT exhaustion|NN requirement|NN ,|, although|IN I|PRP understand|VBP some|DT cases|NNS have|VBP said|VBN that|DT .|. 
In|IN this|DT particular|JJ fact|NN situation|NN --|: and|CC I|PRP do|VBP think|VBP ,|, I|PRP will|MD say|VB ,|, on|IN the|DT issue|NN of|IN precedent|NN ,|, you|PRP can|MD distinguish|VB cases|NNS of|IN --|: and|CC I|PRP 'm|VBP not|RB so|RB sure|JJ I|PRP would|MD be|VB as|RB fearful|JJ as|IN some|DT might|MD be|VB as|IN to|TO precedential|NN value|NN .|. 
I|PRP think|VBP this|DT case|NN is|VBZ somewhat|RB distinguishable|JJ ,|, and|CC I|PRP do|VBP n't|RB know|VB that|IN a|DT judge|NN in|IN another|DT situation|NN would|MD knee-jerk|JJ allow|VB this|DT type|NN of|IN testimony|NN .|. 
We|PRP are|VBP in|IN a|DT very|RB unique|JJ situation|NN here|RB ,|, and|CC that|DT 's|VBZ what|WP we|PRP have|VBP .|. 
Finally|RB ,|, the|DT last|JJ thing|NN that|IN I|PRP want|VBP to|TO do|VB -|: I|PRP 'm|VBP answering|VBG soliloquy|NN with|IN soliloquy|NN here|RB .|. 
I|PRP 'm|VBP not|RB sure|JJ if|IN this|DT is|VBZ a|DT dialogue|NN .|. 
Finally|RB ,|, I|PRP am|VBP acutely|RB cognizant|NN of|IN the|DT fact|NN that|IN this|DT trial|NN has|VBZ abundant|JJ media|NNS coverage|NN ,|, and|CC it|PRP is|VBZ surely|RB not|RB my|PRP$ intent|NN to|TO force|VB a|DT constitutional|JJ confrontation|NN with|IN two|CD reporters|NNS and|CC to|TO create|VB a|DT side|NN show|NN that|IN we|PRP do|VBP n't|RB need|VB to|TO .|. 
That|DT 's|VBZ why|WRB we|PRP 're|VBP meeting|NN in|IN chambers|NNS .|. 
But|CC I|PRP 'll|MD tell|VB you|PRP that|IN if|IN it|PRP 's|VBZ their|PRP$ persistent|JJ position|NN that|IN they|PRP do|VBP n't|RB want|VB to|TO testify|VB ,|, then|RB we|PRP 'll|MD go|VB on|IN the|DT record|NN --|: now|RB ,|, I|PRP 'm|VBP not|RB going|VBG to|TO put|VB them|PRP on|IN the|DT witness|NN stand|NN .|. 
I|PRP do|VBP n't|RB think|VB it|PRP 's|VBZ necessary|JJ to|TO do|VB that|DT .|. 
I|PRP would|MD bring|VB you|PRP and|CC the|DT reporters|NNS ,|, I|PRP will|MD tell|VB you|PRP ,|, to|TO the|DT bar|NN .|. 
I|PRP will|MD swear|VB them|PRP in|IN ,|, I|PRP will|MD have|VB them|PRP sworn|VBN in|IN .|. 
I|PRP will|MD ask|VB you|PRP the|DT question|NN whether|IN they|PRP 're|VBP going|VBG to|TO testify|VB .|. 
I|PRP will|MD allow|VB them|PRP to|TO speak|VB for|IN themselves|PRP on|IN that|DT point|NN ,|, and|CC then|RB we|PRP 'll|MD decide|VB what|WP we|PRP 're|VBP going|VBG to|TO do|VB at|IN that|DT point|NN .|. 
I|PRP do|VBP n't|RB know|VB what|WP else|RB to|TO do|VB ,|, but|CC I|PRP 'm|VBP not|RB going|VBG to|TO go|VB through|IN the|DT charade|NN of|IN having|VBG them|PRP take|VBP the|DT stand|NN and|CC assert|VB ,|, you|PRP know|VBP ,|, as|RB articulately|RB as|IN they|PRP can|MD the|DT privilege|NN that|IN they|PRP believe|VBP that|IN they|PRP can|MD avail|NN themselves|PRP of|IN .|. 
That|DT 's|VBZ fine|NN .|. 
I|PRP interrupted|VBN you|PRP ,|, but|CC I|PRP think|VBP it|PRP was|VBD necessary|JJ to|TO do|VB that|DT .|. 
Well|RB ,|, let|VB me|PRP share|VBP with|IN you|PRP why|WRB I|PRP have|VBP the|DT issue|NN that|IN I|PRP have|VBP .|. 
About|IN a|DT week|NN and|CC a|DT half|NN ago|RB I|PRP had|VBD a|DT telephone|NN dialogue|NN with|IN Eric|NNP because|IN I|PRP had|VBD proposed|VBN to|TO Eric|NNP the|DT possibility|NN that|IN in|IN light|NN of|IN your|PRP$ most|RBS current|JJ order|NN and|CC because|IN you|PRP took|VBD out|RP the|DT issues|NNS of|IN biases|NNS and|CC things|NNS of|IN that|DT nature|NN and|CC because|IN we|PRP 're|VBP going|VBG to|TO be|VB called|VBN to|TO trial|NN by|IN Eric|NNP ,|, that|IN maybe|RB he|PRP should|MD be|VB speaking|VBG to|TO Pat|NNP to|TO see|VB whether|IN they|PRP would|MD be|VB willing|JJ to|TO accept|VB the|DT affidavit|NN in|IN lieu|NN of|IN the|DT testimony|NN .|. 
I|PRP think|VBP we|PRP 're|VBP beyond|IN that|DT .|. 
Well|RB ,|, and|CC then|RB what|WP happened|VBD was|VBD ,|, we|PRP had|VBD a|DT conference|NN call|NN ,|, Eric|NNP ,|, Pat|NNP ,|, several|JJ others|NNS in|IN Pat|NNP 's|POS office|NN and|CC myself|PRP and|CC Terry|NNP .|. 
They|PRP indicated|VBD that|IN they|PRP would|MD not|RB .|. 
And|CC then|RB in|IN the|DT course|NN of|IN that|DT conversation|NN ,|, the|DT defendants|NNS counsel|NN had|VBD stated|VBN ,|, for|IN example|NN ,|, we|PRP would|MD like|VB the|DT opportunity|NN to|TO ask|VB if|IN they|PRP heard|VBD Mr.|NN So|RB and|CC So|RB say|VBP something|NN ,|, why|WRB did|VBD n't|RB they|PRP write|VBP that|DT .|. 
That|DT 's|VBZ what|WP I|PRP 'm|VBP concerned|VBN about|IN with|IN respect|NN to|TO --|: 
I|PRP 'm|VBP not|RB going|VBG to|TO allow|VB that|DT question|NN .|. 
But|CC you|PRP were|VBD n't|RB at|IN the|DT deposition|NN ,|, meaning|VBG you|PRP do|VBP n't|RB know|VB that|IN that|DT question|NN would|MD n't|RB be|VB allowed|VBN and|CC quite|RB frankly|RB yesterday|NN you|PRP were|VBD in|IN trial|NN .|. 
I|PRP said|VBD ,|, though|RB ,|, very|RB clearly|RB in|IN the|DT last|JJ order|NN ,|, I|PRP thought|VBD ,|, in|IN the|DT September|NNP 12th|JJ order|NN ,|, that|IN I|PRP would|MD be|VB available|JJ .|. 
And|CC I|PRP thought|VBD ,|, when|WRB I|PRP heard|VBD that|IN the|DT reporters|NNS ,|, quite|RB frankly|RB ,|, appeared|VBD for|IN depositions|NNS ,|, that|IN when|WRB I|PRP was|VBD on|IN a|DT break|NN ,|, I|PRP was|VBD going|VBG to|TO hear|VB an|DT accumulated|JJ list|NN of|IN questions|NNS that|WDT were|VBD objected|VBN to|TO and|CC that|IN I|PRP would|MD have|VB to|TO rule|VB on|IN those|DT questions|NNS .|. 
Now|RB ,|, I|PRP do|VBP n't|RB have|VB time|NN to|TO preside|NN over|IN a|DT deposition|NN at|IN this|DT late|JJ date|NN .|. 
And|CC I|PRP know|VBP that|IN you|PRP respect|NN that|DT .|. 
You|PRP 're|VBP experienced|VBN counsel|NN and|CC you|PRP know|VBP that|DT .|. 
I|PRP do|VBP know|VB from|IN my|PRP$ private|JJ practice|NN experience|NN that|IN I|PRP was|VBD extremely|RB loathed|VBN to|TO get|VB a|DT judge|NN on|IN the|DT telephone|NN in|IN mid-deposition|JJ .|. 
That|DT could|MD be|VB one|CD of|IN the|DT most|RBS unhappy|JJ experiences|NNS that|IN a|DT lawyer|NN would|MD have|VB .|. 
You|PRP got|VBD it|PRP .|. 
Depending|VBG on|IN the|DT time|NN of|IN day|NN and|CC the|DT personality|NN of|IN the|DT judge|NN .|. 
Especially|RB after|IN your|PRP$ last|JJ opinion|NN on|IN my|PRP$ case|NN ,|, I|PRP do|VBP n't|RB want|VB to|TO call|VB you|PRP at|IN all|DT .|. 
As|IN you|PRP see|VBP ,|, I|PRP 'm|VBP far|RB more|RBR genial|JJ than|IN I|PRP express|VBP in|IN writing|VBG .|. 
What|WP I|PRP invited|VBN by|IN that|DT opinion|NN ,|, though|RB ,|, was|VBD that|IN I|PRP would|MD be|VB available|JJ --|: and|CC I|PRP believe|VBP in|IN an|DT issue|NN that|WDT is|VBZ as|IN important|JJ to|TO the|DT reporters|NNS and|CC to|TO you|PRP ,|, as|IN their|PRP$ counsel|NN ,|, as|IN this|DT ,|, it|PRP is|VBZ appropriate|JJ for|IN you|PRP to|TO stop|VB a|DT deposition|NN on|IN a|DT question|NN like|IN that|DT ,|, instruct|VB your|PRP$ witness|NN not|RB to|TO answer|VB ,|, and|CC allow|VB the|DT Court|NNP to|TO rule|VB on|IN it|PRP .|. 
I|PRP was|VBD inviting|VBG you|PRP to|TO do|VB that|DT .|. 
Now|RB ,|, I|PRP understand|VBP what|WP your|PRP$ reasons|NNS are|VBP for|IN not|RB doing|VBG that|IN ,|, and|CC I|PRP think|VBP you|PRP can|MD do|VB that|DT .|. 
Now|RB ,|, if|IN you|PRP 're|VBP telling|VBG me|PRP that|IN you|PRP have|VBP problems|NNS with|IN certain|JJ anticipated|JJ questions|NNS but|CC not|RB others|NNS and|CC if|IN you|PRP 're|VBP telling|VBG me|PRP that|IN the|DT reporters|NNS would|MD not|RB exercise|VB the|DT privilege|NN if|IN they|PRP were|VBD kept|VBN roughly|RB within|IN the|DT confines|NNS of|IN their|PRP$ affidavits|NNS --|: 
I|PRP go|VBP beyond|IN that|DT .|. 
I|PRP 'm|VBP willing|JJ to|TO have|VB them|PRP testify|VBP as|IN to|TO what|WP they|PRP wrote|VBD in|IN the|DT article|NN and|CC basically|RB forget|VB the|DT affidavit|NN .|. 
That|DT 's|VBZ fine|NN .|. 
That|DT means|VBZ everything|NN that|WDT 's|VBZ set|VBN forth|RB in|IN that|DT article|NN .|. 
Well|RB ,|, then|RB I|PRP think|VBP we|PRP 've|VBP clarified|VBN that|DT point|NN .|. 
Then|RB I|PRP think|VBP you|PRP should|MD reschedule|VB the|DT depositions|NNS and|CC try|VB to|TO do|VB that|DT .|. 
Well|RB ,|, if|IN I|PRP can|MD interject|NN --|: I|PRP mean|VBP ,|, this|DT is|VBZ kind|NN of|IN like|IN my|PRP$ last|JJ hurrah|NN .|. 
We|PRP could|MD only|RB hope|VB not|RB .|. 
It|PRP depends|VBZ what|WP happens|VBZ next|JJ week|NN .|. 
Because|IN we|PRP do|VBP n't|RB have|VB an|DT order|NN with|IN respect|NN to|TO trial|NN testimony|NN --|: and|CC we|PRP do|VBP n't|RB ,|, except|IN for|IN the|DT fact|NN that|IN ,|, again|RB ,|, they|PRP 're|VBP naked|JJ .|. 
I|PRP 'll|MD produce|VB that|DT order|NN ,|, if|IN necessary|JJ .|. 
Well|RB ,|, let|VB me|PRP share|VBP with|IN you|PRP where|WRB I|PRP 'm|VBP coming|VBG from|IN ,|, because|IN I|PRP think|VBP what|WP I|PRP 've|VBP done|VBN here|RB --|: and|CC obviously|RB I|PRP ca|MD n't|RB do|VB your|PRP$ job|NN .|. 
But|CC what|WP I|PRP 'm|VBP proposing|VBG here|RB ,|, if|IN you|PRP could|MD just|RB evaluate|VB it|PRP .|. 
Depending|VBG how|WRB long|JJ this|DT trial|NN goes|VBZ ,|, you|PRP might|MD be|VB my|PRP$ guest|NN in|IN terms|NNS of|IN doing|VBG my|PRP$ job|NN .|. 
All|DT I|PRP 'm|VBP doing|VBG is|VBZ adding|VBG something|NN to|TO what|WP it|PRP is|VBZ that|IN you|PRP basically|RB have|VBP already|RB written|VBN .|. 
And|CC if|IN I|PRP could|MD just|RB read|VB this|DT .|. 
You|PRP have|VBP no|DT idea|NN how|WRB long|JJ it|PRP took|VBD us|PRP to|TO write|VB this|DT .|. 
Because|IN I|PRP think|VBP it|PRP does|VBZ exactly|RB what|WP you|PRP just|RB said|VBD .|. 
It|PRP says|VBZ ,|, Wherein|NNP an|DT affidavit|NN is|VBZ provided|VBN in|IN lieu|NN of|IN testimony|NN to|TO support|VB a|DT newspaper|NN article|NN or|CC newspaper|NN articles|NNS ,|, the|DT reporter|NN shall|MD be|VB obligated|VBN to|TO testify|VB as|IN to|TO the|DT facts|NNS set|VBN forth|RB in|IN the|DT articles|NNS ,|, i.e.|NN ,|, what|WP was|VBD seen|VBN and|CC heard|VBN as|IN related|VBN in|IN the|DT newspaper|NN articles|NNS .|. 
By|IN doing|VBG so|RB ,|, the|DT reporters|NNS would|MD be|VB verbalizing|VBG the|DT contents|NNS of|IN said|VBD affidavit|NN --|: I|PRP think|VBP ,|, actually|RB ,|, they|PRP were|VBD your|PRP$ words|NNS when|WRB we|PRP had|VBD the|DT telephone|NN conference|NN --|: by|IN testifying|VBG as|IN to|TO what|WP appears|VBZ in|IN the|DT newspaper|NN article|NN or|CC articles|NNS ,|, unless|IN such|JJ affidavit|NN is|VBZ otherwise|RB accepted|VBN by|IN all|DT parties|NNS as|IN validating|VBG and|CC authenticating|VBG the|DT contents|NNS of|IN the|DT newspaper|NN article|NN or|CC articles|NNS in|IN issue|NN .|. 
Meaning|NNP if|IN they|PRP accept|VBP it|PRP ,|, it|PRP becomes|VBZ moot|JJ .|. 
However|RB ,|, no|DT testimony|NN shall|MD relate|VB to|TO unpublished|JJ material|NN or|CC information|NN or|CC to|TO the|DT reporters|NNS '|POS motivations|NNS ,|, bias|NN ,|, mental|JJ impressions|NNS ,|, or|CC other|JJ information|NN extrinsic|JJ to|TO what|WP the|DT reporter|NN saw|VBD and|CC heard|VBN ,|, and|CC the|DT reporter|NN shall|MD not|RB be|VB obligated|VBN to|TO reveal|VB any|DT confidential|JJ sources|NNS .|. 
What|WP I|PRP 've|VBP tried|VBN to|TO do|VB here|RB is|VBZ to|TO say|VB ,|, they|PRP 'll|MD testify|VB as|IN to|TO everything|NN that|WDT appeared|VBD in|IN those|DT articles|NNS .|. 
And|CC how|WRB I|PRP then|RB distinguish|VB this|DT case|NN from|IN maybe|RB my|PRP$ next|JJ case|NN is|VBZ ,|, where|WRB an|DT affidavit|NN is|VBZ provided|VBN and|CC the|DT Court|NNP or|CC the|DT parties|NNS do|VBP n't|RB accept|VB the|DT affidavit|NN .|. 
What|WP I|PRP 've|VBP done|VBN is|VBZ ,|, it|PRP says|VBZ that|IN there|EX 's|VBZ no|DT extraneous|JJ unpublished|JJ material|NN questioning|VBG .|. 
That|DT 's|VBZ the|DT clarity|NN that|IN I|PRP need|VBP .|. 
And|CC then|RB ,|, quite|RB frankly|RB ,|, my|PRP$ mindset|NN is|VBZ ,|, if|IN the|DT issue|NN of|IN the|DT defendants|NNS is|VBZ that|IN we|PRP were|VBD biased|VBN in|IN our|PRP$ reporting|VBG because|IN we|PRP either|DT misquoted|JJ somebody|NN or|CC whatever|WDT ,|, well|RB ,|, this|DT is|VBZ n't|RB a|DT jury|NN trial|NN .|. 
You|PRP 're|VBP trying|VBG this|DT case|NN .|. 
You|PRP 're|VBP either|CC going|VBG to|TO believe|VB the|DT reporters|NNS or|CC you|PRP 're|VBP going|VBG to|TO believe|VB Mr.|NN Buckingham|NNP or|CC Mr.|NN Bonsell|NNP or|CC whomever|NN when|WRB they|PRP say|VBP ,|, I|PRP did|VBD n't|RB say|VB that|DT .|. 
But|CC my|PRP$ concern|NN is|VBZ that|IN I|PRP have|VBP to|TO have|VB some|DT degree|NN of|IN certainty|NN by|IN your|PRP$ order|NN that|IN they|PRP ca|MD n't|RB ask|VB any|DT questions|NNS as|IN to|TO unpublished|JJ materials|NNS .|. 
Are|VBP you|PRP suggesting|VBG that|IN this|DT language|NN should|MD apply|VB to|TO both|DT the|DT depositions|NNS and|CC the|DT trial|NN testimony|NN ?|. 
Meaning|NNP if|IN you|PRP could|MD adapt|VB language|NN similar|JJ to|TO this|DT for|IN the|DT trial|NN testimony|NN and|CC I|PRP agree|VBP ,|, I|PRP have|VBP no|DT problem|NN in|IN them|PRP being|VBG at|IN a|DT deposition|NN prior|RB to|TO trial|NN with|IN the|DT same|JJ kind|NN of|IN language|NN relative|JJ to|TO that|DT .|. 
I|PRP will|MD appear|VB at|IN a|DT deposition|NN prior|RB to|TO trial|NN .|. 
I|PRP would|MD like|VB to|TO do|VB that|DT ,|, because|IN of|IN my|PRP$ own|JJ health|NN conditions|NNS ,|, maybe|RB on|IN Friday|NNP in|IN terms|NNS as|IN to|TO a|DT deposition|NN ,|, if|IN that|DT works|VBZ within|IN anybody|NN 's|POS schedule|NN ,|, and|CC then|RB maybe|RB the|DT latter|JJ part|NN of|IN next|JJ week|NN .|. 
Because|IN what|WP I|PRP did|VBD was|VBD ,|, I|PRP put|VBP my|PRP$ surgery|NN off|RP until|IN next|JJ Friday|NNP to|TO get|VB this|DT done|VBN .|. 
Well|RB ,|, the|DT problem|NN Friday|NNP ,|, I|PRP assume|VBP you|PRP fellows|NNS are|VBP getting|VBG out|IN of|IN here|RB on|IN Friday|NNP ,|, but|CC I|PRP 'm|VBP not|RB sure|JJ of|IN that|DT .|. 
Or|CC we|PRP could|MD do|VB it|PRP Monday|NNP .|. 
I|PRP mean|VBP ,|, whatever|WDT works|NNS .|. 
Well|RB ,|, we|PRP do|VBP have|VBP Friday|NNP morning|NN off|RP .|. 
Right|RB .|. 
Although|IN you|PRP may|MD have|VB something|NN scheduled|VBN in|IN terms|NNS of|IN pretrial|JJ planning|NN .|. 
I|PRP 'm|VBP not|RB sure|JJ .|. 
Do|VBP you|PRP know|VBP ?|. 
I|PRP have|VBP a|DT plane|NN flight|NN .|. 
I|PRP was|VBD not|RB going|VBG to|TO be|VB here|RB .|. 
Do|VBP we|PRP need|VB the|DT whole|JJ team|NN ?|. 
I|PRP was|VBD the|DT one|CD going|VBG to|TO take|VB the|DT deposition|NN .|. 
Yeah|UH ,|, Ed|NNP was|VBD there|RB yesterday|NN .|. 
Alternatively|RB ?|. 
Well|RB ,|, we|PRP 'll|MD do|VB what|WP we|PRP have|VBP to|TO do|VB .|. 
Scheduling|NNP usually|RB is|VBZ n't|RB my|PRP$ pay|NN grade|NN ,|, but|CC ,|, you|PRP know|VBP ,|, you|PRP can|MD figure|VB that|IN out|RP .|. 
Go|VB ahead|RB .|. 
Judge|NNP ,|, if|IN I|PRP may|MD ,|, there|EX are|VBP some|DT things|NNS here|RB that|IN we|PRP can|MD agree|VB with|IN ,|, but|CC there|EX are|VBP others|NNS that|IN we|PRP ca|MD n't|RB .|. 
And|CC this|DT is|VBZ why|WRB ,|, in|IN our|PRP$ opinion|NN ,|, Judge|NNP .|. 
You|PRP know|VBP ,|, if|IN our|PRP$ clients|NNS are|VBP believed|VBN ,|, the|DT reporters|NNS did|VBD talk|NN to|TO them|PRP but|CC took|VBD misrepresentative|JJ statements|NNS so|IN that|IN they|PRP left|VBD things|NNS out|IN to|TO put|VB them|PRP in|IN a|DT false|JJ light|JJ and|CC in|IN so|RB doing|VBG have|VBP created|VBN articles|NNS that|IN ,|, if|IN they|PRP were|VBD admitted|VBN for|IN the|DT truth|NN of|IN the|DT matter|NN asserted|VBD ,|, would|MD be|VB misrepresentative|JJ .|. 
Well|RB ,|, that|DT 's|VBZ what|WP I|PRP 'm|VBP not|RB going|VBG to|TO get|VB into|IN .|. 
And|CC I|PRP understand|VBP and|CC I|PRP respect|NN that|DT argument|NN .|. 
But|CC I|PRP think|VBP I|PRP 've|VBP got|VBN to|TO line-draw|JJ here|RB someplace|NN .|. 
And|CC I|PRP understood|VBD that|DT argument|NN before|RB .|. 
And|CC what|WP I|PRP do|VBP n't|RB want|VB to|TO do|VB here|RB is|VBZ turn|VB this|DT into|IN an|DT oral|JJ argument|NN on|IN things|NNS that|IN I|PRP 've|VBP already|RB decided|VBN .|. 
And|CC I|PRP know|VBP you|PRP respect|NN that|DT .|. 
I|PRP think|VBP there|EX is|VBZ a|DT privilege|NN here|RB ,|, and|CC I|PRP think|VBP the|DT privilege|NN sometimes|RB gets|VBZ drawn|VBN in|IN what|WP appears|VBZ to|TO be|VB an|DT ad|NN hoc|FW manner|NN .|. 
But|CC my|PRP$ job|NN is|VBZ to|TO find|VB where|WRB to|TO put|VB the|DT line|NN down|RB in|IN this|DT case|NN .|. 
To|TO traipse|VB into|IN the|DT area|NN of|IN why|WRB they|PRP selectively|RB used|VBD a|DT quote|NN as|IN opposed|VBN to|TO not|RB using|VBG other|JJ things|NNS that|WDT were|VBD said|VBN I|PRP think|VBP is|VBZ to|TO get|VB on|IN a|DT very|RB slippery|JJ slope|NN .|. 
It|PRP really|RB almost|RB precipitates|NNS a|DT bias|NN line|NN of|IN questioning|VBG ,|, and|CC I|PRP 'm|VBP not|RB going|VBG to|TO allow|VB it|PRP .|. 
I|PRP am|VBP trying|VBG to|TO narrowly|RB draw|VB this|DT .|. 
I|PRP understand|VBP that|IN that|DT 's|VBZ not|RB what|WP the|DT defendants|NNS want|VBP in|IN this|DT case|NN ,|, but|CC I|PRP do|VBP n't|RB think|VB it|PRP 's|VBZ called|VBN for|IN .|. 
And|CC ,|, as|IN a|DT matter|NN of|IN fact|NN ,|, I|PRP think|VBP if|IN I|PRP did|VBD that|IN and|CC I|PRP ordered|VBD that|IN and|CC if|IN --|: I|PRP assume|VBP that|IN the|DT reporters|NNS would|MD not|RB testify|VB and|CC I|PRP would|MD predict|VB ,|, if|IN it|PRP went|VBD to|TO the|DT Third|NNP Circuit|NNP on|IN that|DT basis|NN ,|, I|PRP would|MD be|VB reversed|VBN .|. 
I|PRP do|VBP n't|RB think|VB that|IN that|DT 's|VBZ a|DT fair|JJ area|NN of|IN inquiry|NN to|TO get|VB into|IN .|. 
This|DT looks|VBZ artificial|JJ when|WRB you|PRP 're|VBP dealing|VBG with|IN a|DT fact|NN witness|NN ,|, but|CC these|DT are|VBP fact|NN witnesses|NNS who|WP are|VBP also|RB reporters|NNS ,|, and|CC I|PRP am|VBP straining|VBG to|TO try|VB to|TO find|VB a|DT fair|JJ way|NN to|TO do|VB this|DT .|. 
I|PRP believe|VBP that|IN to|TO the|DT extent|NN --|: and|CC I|PRP 've|VBP said|VBN this|DT now|RB several|JJ times|NNS --|: that|IN the|DT reporters|NNS '|POS testimony|NN is|VBZ necessary|JJ in|IN order|NN to|TO invoke|VB the|DT residual|JJ hearsay|NN exception|NN under|IN Rule|NN 807|CD ,|, that|IN the|DT defendants|NNS have|VBP to|TO have|VB an|DT opportunity|NN to|TO examine|VB the|DT reporters|NNS on|IN the|DT same|JJ topics|NNS and|CC subjects|NNS that|IN I|PRP would|MD allow|VB the|DT plaintiffs|NNS to|TO question|VB them|PRP on|IN during|IN their|PRP$ case-in-chief|JJ ,|, nothing|NN more|JJR and|CC nothing|NN less|RBR .|. 
So|IN I|PRP 'm|VBP inclined|VBN to|TO accept|VB this|DT language|NN ,|, you|PRP know|VBP ,|, not|RB word|NN for|IN word|NN ,|, only|RB to|TO the|DT extent|NN where|WRB it|PRP states|VBZ ,|, rather|RB generically|RB ,|, "|'' wherein|WRB an|DT affidavit|NN is|VBZ provided|VBN ,|, "|'' I|PRP would|MD take|VB that|DT sentence|NN and|CC simply|RB say|VBP that|IN affidavits|NNS have|VBP been|VBN provided|VBN ,|, rather|RB than|IN "|'' wherein|WRB .|. "|'' 
It|PRP 's|VBZ somewhat|RB artificial|JJ or|CC a|DT little|RB strained|VBN as|IN it|PRP relates|VBZ to|TO this|DT case|NN .|. 
The|DT rest|NN of|IN it|PRP I|PRP do|VBP n't|RB have|VB any|DT problem|NN because|IN I|PRP think|VBP it|PRP does|VBZ not|RB do|VB violence|NN to|TO my|PRP$ opinions|NNS .|. 
And|CC this|DT gets|VBZ into|IN a|DT semantical|JJ exercise|NN to|TO some|DT degree|NN but|CC one|CD that|WDT is|VBZ important|JJ ,|, I|PRP understand|VBP ,|, to|TO the|DT reporters|NNS .|. 
We|PRP have|VBP got|VBN to|TO cut|VB the|DT Gordian|NNP knot|NN here|RB .|. 
Either|CC --|: 
We|PRP can|MD live|VB with|IN this|DT ,|, and|CC they|PRP would|MD testify|VB if|IN we|PRP had|VBD language|NN similar|JJ to|TO this|DT .|. 
Well|RB ,|, my|PRP$ intention|NN would|MD be|VB to|TO enter|VB an|DT order|NN that|WDT is|VBZ a|DT wrap-around|JJ order|NN ,|, if|IN you|PRP will|MD ,|, that|WDT is|VBZ ,|, in|IN effect|NN ,|, a|DT re-reconsideration|JJ of|IN the|DT order|NN on|IN the|DT depositions|NNS but|CC also|RB speaks|VBZ to|TO the|DT trial|NN testimony|NN in|IN chief|NN .|. 
And|CC it|PRP will|MD be|VB abbreviated|JJ because|IN of|IN the|DT time|NN constraints|NNS on|IN me|PRP ,|, but|CC we|PRP 'll|MD issue|VB it|PRP forthwith|NN ,|, and|CC it|PRP will|MD indicate|VB that|IN you|PRP 're|VBP going|VBG to|TO --|: they|PRP 're|VBP going|VBG to|TO sit|VB for|IN depositions|NNS under|IN those|DT circumstances|NNS .|. 
Can|MD I|PRP ask|VB whether|IN that|DT would|MD be|VB reported|VBN ?|. 
In|IN what|WP sense|NN ?|. 
When|WRB you|PRP say|VBP "|'' reported|VBN ,|, "|'' what|WP do|VBP you|PRP mean|VBP by|IN that|DT ?|. 
"|'' Reported|NNP "|'' meaning|VBG in|IN the|DT books|NNS .|. 
Oh|UH ,|, published|VBN .|. 
When|WRB you|PRP say|VBP "|'' reported|VBN "|'' and|CC you|PRP 're|VBP talking|VBG about|IN reporters|NNS ,|, then|RB I|PRP 'm|VBP thinking|VBG ,|, I|PRP have|VBP enough|JJ work|NN in|IN this|DT case|NN .|. 
No|DT ,|, we|PRP would|MD n't|RB publish|VB it|PRP ,|, but|CC there|EX are|VBP reporters|NNS who|WP can|MD access|VB the|DT CM|NNP /|NN ECF|NNP system|NN .|. 
No|DT ,|, the|DT reason|NN why|WRB I|PRP 'm|VBP asking|VBG whether|IN it|PRP would|MD be|VB published|VBN ,|, I|PRP do|VBP n't|RB know|VB whether|IN your|PRP$ original|JJ opinion|NN --|: 
You|PRP 're|VBP worried|VBN about|IN the|DT precedential|NN value|NN .|. 
No|DT ,|, it|PRP 's|VBZ not|RB my|PRP$ intention|NN to|TO publish|VB it|PRP .|. 
I|PRP have|VBP no|DT need|VBP .|. 
However|RB ,|, good|JJ or|CC bad|JJ news|NN travels|VBZ fast|RB ,|, and|CC in|IN the|DT legal|JJ realm|NN it|PRP will|MD be|VB cited|VBN by|IN somebody|NN someplace|NN .|. 
You|PRP have|VBP no|DT idea|NN .|. 
Oh|UH ,|, you|PRP 'd|MD be|VB surprised|VBN .|. 
Your|PRP$ Honor|NNP ,|, just|RB in|IN an|DT effort|NN to|TO avoid|VB needless|JJ procedure|NN or|CC inquiry|NN ,|, if|IN I|PRP could|MD just|RB get|VB a|DT sense|NN for|IN what|WP you|PRP have|VBP in|IN mind|NN and|CC intend|VB by|IN the|DT order|NN .|. 
If|IN they|PRP show|VBP up|RP for|IN deposition|NN and|CC begin|VB to|TO testify|VB about|IN an|DT article|NN about|IN June|NNP 14th|JJ ,|, --|: 
Hypothetically|NNP ?|. 
Hypothetically|NNP .|. 
Would|MD we|PRP be|VB at|IN liberty|NN to|TO say|VB ,|, did|VBD you|PRP hear|VBP anything|NN else|RB ,|, did|VBD you|PRP see|VBP anything|NN else|RB ?|. 
No|DT ,|, because|IN --|: and|CC I|PRP know|VBP this|DT is|VBZ difficult|JJ ,|, but|CC it|PRP goes|VBZ like|IN this|DT .|. 
And|CC this|DT is|VBZ the|DT best|JJS I|PRP can|MD put|VB it|PRP ,|, other|JJ than|IN what|WP I|PRP tried|VBD to|TO do|VB in|IN my|PRP$ opinion|NN .|. 
We|PRP have|VBP articles|NNS .|. 
We|PRP have|VBP a|DT situation|NN where|WRB the|DT declarants|NNS ,|, the|DT quoted|JJ individuals|NNS ,|, have|VBP apparently|RB denied|VBN --|: either|CC denied|VBD ,|, I|PRP guess|VBP --|: I|PRP 'm|VBP not|RB sure|JJ about|IN this|DT .|. 
This|DT is|VBZ my|PRP$ understanding|VBG ,|, either|CC denied|VBD that|IN they|PRP said|VBD what|WP was|VBD reported|VBN in|IN the|DT articles|NNS or|CC said|VBD that|IN they|PRP were|VBD statements|NNS taken|VBN out|IN of|IN context|NN .|. 
And|CC they|PRP can|MD speak|VB for|IN themselves|PRP .|. 
And|CC that|DT 's|VBZ one|CD of|IN the|DT reasons|NNS that|IN I|PRP 'm|VBP line-drawing|JJ here|RB .|. 
They|PRP can|MD say|VB that|IN ,|, and|CC I|PRP 'll|MD take|VB that|IN under|IN consideration|NN .|. 
But|CC from|IN the|DT reporters|NNS '|POS perspective|NN ,|, were|VBD they|PRP at|IN the|DT meeting|NN .|. 
The|DT obvious|JJ answer|NN is|VBZ yes|UH ,|, but|CC they|PRP have|VBP n't|RB answered|VBN that|IN under|IN oath|NN .|. 
Did|VBD they|PRP hear|VBP the|DT statement|NN that|WDT is|VBZ included|VBN in|IN the|DT article|NN ?|. 
Perhaps|RB where|WRB were|VBD they|PRP standing|NN in|IN the|DT room|NN ,|, did|VBD they|PRP utilize|VB a|DT tape|NN recorder|NN for|IN the|DT purpose|NN of|IN taking|VBG down|RP the|DT statement|NN or|CC did|VBD they|PRP use|VBP a|DT tape|NN recorder|NN and|CC did|VBD they|PRP take|VBP notes|NNS contemporaneously|RB with|IN the|DT statement|NN .|. 
How|WRB long|RB after|IN the|DT meeting|NN did|VBD they|PRP write|VBP their|PRP$ article|NN ,|, did|VBD they|PRP use|VBP the|DT tape|NN recorder|NN ,|, did|VBD they|PRP use|VBP notes|NNS as|IN it|PRP related|VBD to|TO that|DT statement|NN .|. 
Those|DT are|VBP the|DT types|NNS of|IN inquiries|NNS that|WDT relate|VBP specifically|RB to|TO the|DT contents|NNS of|IN the|DT article|NN .|. 
To|TO allay|VB Mr.|NN Benn|NNP 's|POS concerns|NNS ,|, I|PRP think|VBP it|PRP is|VBZ not|RB fair|JJ game|NN to|TO talk|VB about|IN all|DT the|DT other|JJ things|NNS that|IN they|PRP heard|VBD and|CC why|WRB they|PRP wrote|VBD the|DT article|NN the|DT way|NN they|PRP did|VBD and|CC why|WRB they|PRP excluded|VBD quotes|NNS .|. 
I|PRP sincerely|RB believe|VBP that|IN that|DT gets|VBZ into|IN journalistic|JJ integrity|NN ,|, and|CC that|DT 's|VBZ problematic|JJ ,|, and|CC it|PRP 's|VBZ not|RB my|PRP$ intent|NN to|TO allow|VB that|RB ,|, nor|CC would|MD I|PRP allow|VB any|DT questioning|VBG on|IN anything|NN personal|JJ to|TO the|DT reporters|NNS .|. 
I|PRP think|VBP I|PRP spelled|VBN that|IN out|IN in|IN detail|NN in|IN the|DT prior|JJ orders|VBZ .|. 
We|PRP are|VBP going|VBG to|TO simply|RB have|VBP them|PRP testify|VBP for|IN the|DT purpose|NN of|IN authenticating|VBG the|DT contents|NNS of|IN that|DT article|NN ,|, nothing|NN more|JJR ,|, nothing|NN less|JJR ,|, because|IN I|PRP really|RB believe|VBP that|IN to|TO do|VB more|JJR than|IN that|DT is|VBZ to|TO create|VB ,|, I|PRP think|VBP ,|, a|DT precedent|NN which|WDT would|MD have|VB reporters|NNS called|VBN --|: Mr.|NN Benn|NNP ,|, I|PRP think|VBP ,|, fears|NNS that|IN even|RB this|DT would|MD do|VB that|DT .|. 
I|PRP do|VBP n't|RB share|VB that|DT fear|NN .|. 
But|CC to|TO go|VB any|DT further|RB than|IN that|DT would|MD mean|VB that|IN a|DT reporter|NN 's|POS veracity|NN could|MD be|VB questioned|VBN each|DT and|CC every|DT time|NN something|NN like|IN this|DT comes|VBZ up|RB .|. 
I|PRP strain|VBP mightily|RB not|RB to|TO have|VB to|TO do|VB that|DT .|. 
That|DT 's|VBZ what|WP I|PRP 'm|VBP talking|VBG about|IN .|. 
Now|RB ,|, I|PRP do|VBP n't|RB know|VB if|IN that|DT clarifies|VBZ it|PRP .|. 
It|PRP does|VBZ ,|, Your|PRP$ Honor|NNP ,|, I|PRP think|VBP in|IN large|JJ measure|NN .|. 
And|CC I|PRP would|MD ask|VB this|DT ,|, with|IN your|PRP$ leave|NN ,|, would|MD it|PRP suffice|VB to|TO preserve|VB my|PRP$ objection|NN that|IN I|PRP object|VBP here|RB in|IN chambers|NNS on|IN the|DT record|NN ?|. 
That|DT 's|VBZ fine|NN .|. 
And|CC I|PRP note|VBP that|IN ,|, and|CC that|DT 's|VBZ why|WRB I|PRP wanted|VBD to|TO do|VB this|DT on|IN the|DT record|NN .|. 
And|CC I|PRP understand|VBP that|IN you|PRP object|VBP to|TO that|DT ,|, and|CC I|PRP understand|VBP the|DT defendants|NNS have|VBP interposed|JJ not|RB only|RB this|DT objection|NN but|CC they|PRP have|VBP also|RB argued|VBN against|IN that|DT .|. 
And|CC to|TO the|DT extent|NN that|IN this|DT really|RB clarifies|VBZ and|CC reasserts|VBZ what|WP I|PRP have|VBP in|IN my|PRP$ prior|RB orders|VBZ ,|, I|PRP think|VBP you|PRP 've|VBP preserved|VBN your|PRP$ position|NN as|IN it|PRP relates|VBZ to|TO that|DT ,|, and|CC I|PRP understand|VBP that|DT position|NN .|. 
Thank|VB you|PRP .|. 
Anything|NN from|IN the|DT plaintiffs|NNS ?|. 
We|PRP have|VBP no|DT objection|NN to|TO the|DT proposed|JJ modification|NN ,|, Your|PRP$ Honor|NNP .|. 
All|DT right|JJ .|. 
So|RB with|IN that|DT brief|JJ change|NN to|TO what|WP is|VBZ a|DT little|JJ bit|NN awkward|JJ in|IN the|DT first|JJ sentence|NN ,|, the|DT "|'' wherein|WRB "|'' --|: and|CC I|PRP do|VBP n't|RB mean|VB that|IN facetiously|RB ,|, but|CC just|RB as|IN it|PRP relates|VBZ to|TO this|DT case|NN ,|, because|IN this|DT almost|RB looks|VBZ like|IN it|PRP 's|VBZ a|DT contracted|VBD or|CC --|: 
I|PRP understand|VBP .|. 
I|PRP just|RB wanted|VBD to|TO make|VB sure|JJ the|DT word|NN "|'' affidavit|NN "|'' was|VBD in|IN there|RB .|. 
We|PRP will|MD recite|NN that|DT .|. 
We|PRP will|MD get|VB a|DT clarifying|VBG order|NN out|RP .|. 
Now|RB ,|, for|IN the|DT purpose|NN of|IN --|: because|IN this|DT is|VBZ a|DT very|RB public|JJ trial|NN .|. 
What|WP 's|VBZ your|PRP$ intention|NN ,|, what|WP are|VBP your|PRP$ thoughts|NNS regarding|VBG how|WRB we|PRP should|MD address|VB this|DT ?|. 
Because|IN it|PRP 's|VBZ known|VBN that|IN this|DT is|VBZ a|DT festering|VBG controversy|NN .|. 
That|DT 's|VBZ an|DT interesting|JJ question|NN .|. 
I|PRP mean|VBP ,|, if|IN we|PRP 're|VBP not|RB called|VBN today|NN ,|, which|WDT we|PRP 're|VBP not|RB going|VBG to|TO be|VB ,|, I|PRP do|VBP n't|RB know|VB that|IN it|PRP really|RB is|VBZ an|DT issue|NN .|. 
We|PRP just|RB had|VBD dialogue|NN in|IN chambers|NNS ,|, the|DT judge|NN is|VBZ going|VBG to|TO be|VB entering|VBG an|DT order|NN ,|, and|CC after|IN we|PRP receive|VBP the|DT order|NN ,|, we|PRP 'll|MD be|VB able|JJ to|TO make|VB a|DT decision|NN in|IN terms|NNS of|IN where|WRB we|PRP proceed|VBP .|. 
Well|RB ,|, I|PRP do|VBP n't|RB know|VB about|IN that|DT .|. 
I|PRP think|VBP you|PRP can|MD assume|VB ,|, unless|IN you|PRP doubt|VBP my|PRP$ word|NN ,|, I|PRP 'm|VBP going|VBG to|TO issue|VB an|DT order|NN --|: and|CC I|PRP 'm|VBP very|RB serious|JJ --|: I|PRP 'm|VBP going|VBG to|TO issue|VB an|DT order|NN and|CC that|DT order|NN will|MD be|VB forthwith|NN .|. 
I|PRP would|MD prefer|VB that|DT --|: 
We|PRP can|MD say|VB that|IN we|PRP 've|VBP restricted|VBN the|DT order|NN in|IN such|JJ a|DT fashion|NN that|IN we|PRP believe|VBP the|DT reporters|NNS will|MD testify|VB .|. 
If|IN I|PRP might|MD be|VB so|RB bold|JJ ,|, that|IN we|PRP are|VBP satisfied|VBN with|IN the|DT resolution|NN .|. 
Thank|VB you|PRP .|. 
We|PRP expect|VBP an|DT order|NN that|WDT is|VBZ consistent|JJ with|IN our|PRP$ understanding|NN of|IN an|DT agreement|NN that|IN we|PRP reached|VBD --|: I|PRP will|MD let|VB it|PRP to|TO you|PRP to|TO address|VB that|DT .|. 
And|CC my|PRP$ intention|NN would|MD not|RB be|VB to|TO address|VB this|DT again|RB in|IN open|JJ court|NN this|DT afternoon|NN .|. 
We|PRP would|MD just|RB move|VB on|IN .|. 
You|PRP have|VBP other|JJ witnesses|NNS ,|, I|PRP assume|VBP ,|, to|TO present|VB ,|, and|CC we|PRP can|MD move|VB through|IN this|DT .|. 
I|PRP 'm|VBP simply|RB saying|VBG I|PRP do|VBP n't|RB want|VB wiggle|NN room|NN that|IN we|PRP 're|VBP waiting|VBG to|TO see|VB ,|, because|IN I|PRP 've|VBP had|VBN that|DT experience|NN now|RB before|RB .|. 
If|IN you|PRP indicate|VBP to|TO me|PRP as|IN you|PRP have|VBP ,|, that|IN this|DT is|VBZ satisfactory|JJ to|TO you|PRP ,|, I|PRP will|MD indicate|VB that|IN we|PRP are|VBP satisfied|VBN with|IN the|DT prospective|JJ order|NN that|IN we|PRP understand|VBP the|DT Court|NNP is|VBZ going|VBG to|TO enter|VB and|CC that|IN our|PRP$ clients|NNS will|MD be|VB testifying|VBG at|IN deposition|NN and|CC at|IN trial|NN .|. 
Because|IN I|PRP 'll|MD adopt|VB this|DT ,|, but|CC I|PRP do|VBP n't|RB want|VB to|TO do|VB this|DT again|RB .|. 
I|PRP understand|VBP .|. 
And|CC you|PRP do|VBP n't|RB want|VB to|TO do|VB it|PRP again|RB ,|, I|PRP know|VBP ,|, I|PRP recognize|VBP .|. 
Your|PRP$ Honor|NNP ,|, just|RB one|CD other|JJ clarification|NN question|NN .|. 
With|IN regard|NN to|TO asking|VBG what|WP they|PRP saw|VBD and|CC heard|VBN with|IN regard|NN to|TO all|DT of|IN the|DT statements|NNS and|CC the|DT articles|NNS ,|, I|PRP would|MD assume|VB that|DT 's|VBZ statements|NNS made|VBN after|IN the|DT gavel|NN banged|JJ and|CC the|DT meeting|NN was|VBD over|IN .|. 
Some|DT of|IN those|DT quotes|NNS are|VBP afterwards|RB .|. 
Yes|UH .|. 
But|CC can|MD questions|NNS be|VB asked|VBN as|RB far|RB as|IN the|DT context|NN of|IN those|DT statements|NNS ?|. 
THE|DT COURT|NN :|: Ask|VB the|DT question|NN that|IN you|PRP want|VBP to|TO ask|VB .|. 
When|WRB so|RB and|CC so|RB said|VBD this|DT thing|NN ,|, you|PRP know|VBP ,|, it|PRP was|VBD in|IN response|NN to|TO what|WP ,|, what|WP question|NN or|CC what|WP else|RB was|VBD being|VBG talked|VBN about|IN when|WRB this|DT statement|NN was|VBD made|VBN .|. 
No.|NN 
That|DT 's|VBZ too|RB amorphous|JJ a|DT question|NN .|. 
The|DT issue|NN here|RB ,|, I|PRP 'll|MD restate|VB ,|, is|VBZ the|DT veracity|NN of|IN the|DT articles|NNS themselves|PRP ,|, did|VBD the|DT reporter|NN hear|VBP the|DT statement|NN as|IN reported|VBN .|. 
If|IN it|PRP was|VBD taken|VBN out|IN of|IN context|NN ,|, we|PRP 're|VBP not|RB going|VBG to|TO delve|NN into|IN that|DT in|IN this|DT examination|NN .|. 
The|DT individual|JJ who|WP believes|VBZ --|: who|WP was|VBD quoted|VBN and|CC believes|VBZ the|DT statement|NN was|VBD taken|VBN out|IN of|IN context|NN or|CC flatly|RB that|IN he|PRP did|VBD n't|RB or|CC she|PRP did|VBD n't|RB say|VB it|PRP and|CC it|PRP 's|VBZ inaccurate|JJ will|MD have|VB the|DT opportunity|NN to|TO say|VB that|IN during|IN the|DT defendants|NNS case-in-chief|JJ or|CC at|IN any|DT other|JJ time|NN during|IN the|DT trial|NN .|. 
We|PRP 're|VBP not|RB going|VBG to|TO side|VB door|NN ,|, you|PRP know|VBP ,|, a|DT bias|NN argument|NN by|IN going|VBG into|IN context|NN .|. 
Context|NNP is|VBZ a|DT dangerous|JJ thing|NN as|IN it|PRP relates|VBZ to|TO what|WP we|PRP 're|VBP doing|VBG here|RB .|. 
So|RB ,|, no|DT ,|, it|PRP 's|VBZ --|: we|PRP presume|NN that|IN the|DT statement|NN was|VBD likely|RB given|VBN to|TO the|DT reporter|NN upon|IN a|DT question|NN being|VBG asked|VBN by|IN the|DT reporter|NN ,|, although|IN it|PRP could|MD have|VB been|VBN volunteered|VBN .|. 
That|DT 's|VBZ of|IN no|DT moment|NN .|. 
The|DT issue|NN is|VBZ ,|, did|VBD the|DT reporter|NN hear|VBP the|DT statement|NN ,|, was|VBD it|PRP reported|VBD adequately|RB ,|, not|RB was|VBD it|PRP reported|VBD out|IN of|IN context|NN ,|, but|CC did|VBD those|DT words|NNS ,|, as|IN quoted|VBN ,|, come|VB out|IN of|IN that|DT individual|NN 's|POS mouth|NN .|. 
Now|RB ,|, I|PRP ca|MD n't|RB be|VB any|DT clearer|JJR than|IN that|DT .|. 
All|DT right|NN ?|. 
Your|PRP$ Honor|NNP ,|, one|CD thing|NN I|PRP might|MD ask|VB ,|, since|IN it|PRP is|VBZ perhaps|RB likely|JJ that|IN issues|NNS are|VBP going|VBG to|TO arise|VB during|IN the|DT deposition|NN ,|, I|PRP 'm|VBP wondering|VBG if|IN we|PRP could|MD now|RB attempt|VB to|TO schedule|VB the|DT deposition|NN at|IN a|DT time|NN when|WRB everybody|NN ,|, including|VBG Your|PRP$ Honor|NNP ,|, might|MD be|VB available|JJ to|TO intercede|NN .|. 
Well|RB ,|, what|WP 's|VBZ your|PRP$ next|JJ day|NN that|WDT would|MD be|VB available|JJ if|IN not|RB Friday|NNP ?|. 
Monday|NNP .|. 
Well|RB ,|, Monday|NNP I|PRP 'll|MD be|VB in|IN chambers|NNS in|IN Williamsport|NNP all|DT day|NN .|. 
I|PRP can|MD not|RB do|VB it|PRP Monday|NNP because|IN I|PRP could|MD n't|RB get|VB here|RB on|IN Sunday|NNP .|. 
My|PRP$ wife|NN is|VBZ going|VBG out|IN of|IN town|NN ,|, and|CC I|PRP have|VBP to|TO watch|VB all|DT the|DT kids|NNS .|. 
I|PRP could|MD do|VB it|PRP Tuesday|NNP ,|, I|PRP could|MD do|VB it|PRP Wednesday|NNP .|. 
Tuesday|NNP and|CC Wednesday|NNP is|VBZ a|DT Jewish|JJ holiday|NN for|IN me|PRP .|. 
I|PRP ca|MD n't|RB do|VB it|PRP .|. 
How|WRB about|IN tomorrow|NN ?|. 
I|PRP 'm|VBP leaving|VBG tomorrow|NN .|. 
Well|RB ,|, look|VB ,|, if|IN it|PRP 's|VBZ any|DT weekday|NN other|JJ than|IN next|JJ Friday|NNP when|WRB I|PRP will|MD not|RB be|VB available|JJ --|: I|PRP 'll|MD be|VB traveling|VBG next|JJ Friday|NNP --|: I|PRP 'll|MD be|VB available|JJ .|. 
And|CC ,|, you|PRP know|VBP ,|, we|PRP 'll|MD work|VB through|IN that|DT issue|NN .|. 
And|CC if|IN you|PRP 're|VBP otherwise|RB taking|VBG the|DT deposition|NN and|CC we|PRP 're|VBP at|IN trial|NN ,|, I|PRP 'll|MD tell|VB you|PRP that|IN we|PRP 'll|MD construct|VB some|DT mechanism|NN --|: and|CC we|PRP kind|NN of|IN talked|VBD about|IN this|DT a|DT little|JJ bit|NN yesterday|NN --|: where|WRB you|PRP hold|VBP the|DT thought|NN if|IN counsel|NN instructs|VBZ the|DT reporters|NNS not|RB to|TO answer|VB because|IN it|PRP 's|VBZ a|DT problematic|JJ question|NN ,|, and|CC we|PRP can|MD circle|NN back|RB and|CC we|PRP 'll|MD deal|VB with|IN that|DT later|RB .|. 
I|PRP understand|VBP those|DT things|NNS could|MD come|VB up|RB in|IN the|DT course|NN of|IN the|DT deposition|NN ,|, and|CC I|PRP 'll|MD rule|VB on|IN those|DT as|IN I|PRP can|MD if|IN I|PRP 'm|VBP not|RB instantly|RB available|JJ .|. 
So|RB whether|IN I|PRP 'm|VBP sitting|VBG at|IN trial|NN or|CC not|RB --|: and|CC likely|JJ it|PRP will|MD be|VB a|DT day|NN when|WRB I|PRP 'm|VBP sitting|VBG in|IN trial|NN --|: we|PRP 'll|MD deal|VB with|IN it|PRP .|. 
How|WRB about|IN later|RB today|NN ?|. 
You|PRP work|VBP that|IN out|RP .|. 
Let|VB 's|PRP get|VB back|RB on|IN the|DT record|NN here|RB ,|, because|IN we|PRP 've|VBP got|VBN people|NNS waiting|VBG and|CC I|PRP want|VBP to|TO get|VB going|VBG .|. 
You|PRP 'll|MD have|VB to|TO work|VB that|IN out|RP .|. 
But|CC I|PRP will|MD tell|VB you|PRP in|IN concluding|VBG that|IN if|IN it|PRP is|VBZ at|IN night|NN ,|, if|IN you|PRP do|VBP it|PRP at|IN night|NN ,|, I|PRP will|MD give|VB you|PRP my|PRP$ home|NN number|NN ,|, and|CC you|PRP can|MD contact|VB me|PRP so|IN we|PRP get|VBP this|DT finished|VBD .|. 
If|IN we|PRP have|VBP to|TO do|VB that|DT ,|, we|PRP 'll|MD do|VB it|PRP so|IN we|PRP get|VBP it|PRP finished|VBD .|. 
I|PRP will|MD not|RB attend|VB the|DT deposition|NN ,|, though|RB .|. 
I|PRP stopped|VBD doing|VBG that|IN when|WRB I|PRP got|VBD this|DT job|NN .|. 
Anything|NN else|RB ?|. 
No.|NN 
Thank|VB you|PRP ,|, Your|PRP$ Honor|NNP .|. 
Thank|VB you|PRP ,|, Your|PRP$ Honor|NNP .|. 
(|( The|DT discussion|NN in|IN chambers|NNS was|VBD concluded|VBN .|. 
)|) We|PRP return|VBP in|IN session|NN ,|, and|CC I|PRP want|VBP to|TO apologize|VB to|TO the|DT assembled|JJ spectators|NNS and|CC ,|, of|IN course|NN ,|, to|TO the|DT media|NNS .|. 
We|PRP handled|VBD a|DT matter|NN in|IN chambers|NNS that|IN you|PRP 'll|MD become|VB aware|JJ of|IN in|IN an|DT effort|NN to|TO resolve|VB a|DT problem|NN ,|, and|CC I|PRP think|VBP we|PRP did|VBD .|. 
These|DT things|NNS arise|VBP during|IN trials|NNS from|IN time|NN to|TO time|NN .|. 
That|DT is|VBZ the|DT first|JJ time|NN that|IN we|PRP 've|VBP had|VBN that|DT type|NN of|IN matter|NN in|IN this|DT trial|NN .|. 
We|PRP may|MD have|VB others|NNS as|IN the|DT trial|NN unfolds|VBZ .|. 
But|CC it|PRP was|VBD a|DT necessary|JJ exercise|NN .|. 
And|CC we|PRP try|VBP to|TO keep|VB them|PRP at|IN a|DT minimum|JJ and|CC we|PRP will|MD keep|VB them|PRP at|IN a|DT minimum|NN during|IN the|DT trial|NN .|. 
But|CC with|IN that|DT ,|, we|PRP will|MD go|VB back|RB to|TO the|DT plaintiffs|NNS .|. 
You|PRP may|MD call|VB your|PRP$ next|JJ witness|NN .|. 
Your|PRP$ Honor|NNP ,|, the|DT plaintiffs|NNS would|MD call|VB Julie|NNP Smith|NNP .|. 
JULIE|NNP SMITH|NNP ,|, called|VBN as|IN a|DT witness|NN ,|, having|VBG been|VBN duly|RB sworn|VBN or|CC affirmed|VBD ,|, testified|VBD as|IN follows|VBZ :|: 
DIRECT|NNP EXAMINATION|NNP BY|NNP MR|NNP .|. HARVEY|NNP :|: Please|VB tell|VB us|PRP your|PRP$ name|NN .|. 
Julie|NNP Ann|NNP Smith|NNP .|. 
Where|WRB do|VBP you|PRP live|VBP ,|, Ms.|NN Smith|NNP ?|. 
Honey|NNP Run|NNP Drive|NNP ,|, York|NNP ,|, Pa|NNP .|. 
And|CC is|VBZ that|IN within|IN the|DT area|NN covered|VBN by|IN the|DT Dover|NNP Area|NNP School|NNP District|NNP ?|. 
Yes|UH ,|, it|PRP is|VBZ .|. 
And|CC how|WRB long|JJ have|VBP you|PRP lived|VBD there|RB ?|. 
Fourteen|CD years|NNS .|. 
Do|VBP you|PRP have|VB any|DT children|NNS ?|. 
Yes|UH ,|, I|PRP have|VBP two|CD children|NNS .|. 
How|WRB old|JJ are|VBP they|PRP ?|. 
My|PRP$ daughter|NN Katherine|NNP is|VBZ 16|CD ,|, and|CC my|PRP$ son|NN Michael|NNP is|VBZ 19|CD .|. 
Your|PRP$ daughter|NN Katherine|NNP ,|, what|WP school|NN does|VBZ she|PRP attend|VBP ?|. 
Dover|NNP High|NNP School|NNP .|. 
What|WP grade|NN is|VBZ she|PRP in|RP ?|. 
She|PRP 's|VBZ in|IN eleventh|NN grade|NN .|. 
Please|VB tell|VB us|PRP what|WP you|PRP do|VBP for|IN a|DT living|VBG .|. 
I|PRP 'm|VBP a|DT medical|JJ technologist|NN .|. 
And|CC please|VB summarize|VB for|IN us|PRP your|PRP$ educational|JJ background|NN .|. 
I|PRP graduated|VBD high|JJ school|NN in|IN 1979|CD ,|, and|CC I|PRP graduated|VBD at|IN York|NNP College|NNP with|IN a|DT degree|NN in|IN medical|JJ technology|NN in|IN 1984|CD .|. 
Now|RB ,|, did|VBD there|EX come|VB a|DT time|NN when|WRB you|PRP learned|VBD that|IN the|DT Dover|NNP Area|NNP School|NNP District|NNP Board|NNP of|IN Directors|NNS was|VBD considering|VBG approval|NN of|IN a|DT biology|NN textbook|NN ?|. 
Yes|UH .|. 
And|CC tell|VB us|PRP ,|, when|WRB did|VBD you|PRP learn|VBP that|DT ?|. 
I|PRP learned|VBD that|IN in|IN June|NNP of|IN '|POS 04|CD .|. 
And|CC what|WP was|VBD the|DT basis|NN for|IN your|PRP$ knowledge|NN ?|. 
I|PRP read|VBP it|PRP in|IN the|DT paper|NN .|. 
Do|VBP you|PRP remember|VBP what|WP you|PRP read|VBP ?|. 
Yeah|UH ,|, I|PRP read|VBP it|PRP in|IN the|DT York|NNP Daily|NNP Record|NNP ,|, and|CC ,|, yes|UH ,|, I|PRP do|VBP remember|VB .|. 
Please|VB tell|VB us|PRP what|WP you|PRP remember|VBP learning|VBG at|IN that|DT time|NN .|. 
That|DT the|DT school|NN district|NN was|VBD very|RB concerned|VBN about|IN approving|VBG a|DT biology|NN text|NN that|WDT did|VBD not|RB include|VB creationism|NN .|. 
And|CC do|VBP you|PRP remember|VBP anything|NN else|RB that|IN you|PRP learned|VBD at|IN that|DT time|NN ?|. 
Not|RB right|NN off|RP the|DT top|NN of|IN my|PRP$ head|NN .|. 
Okay|UH .|. 
Did|VBD there|EX come|VB a|DT time|NN when|WRB you|PRP learned|VBD that|IN the|DT school|NN district|NN board|NN of|IN directors|NNS had|VBD approved|VBN a|DT biology|NN text|NN ?|. 
Yes|UH ,|, they|PRP did|VBD in|IN August|NNP .|. 
And|CC what|WP was|VBD the|DT basis|NN for|IN you|PRP learning|VBG that|IN at|IN that|DT time|NN ?|. 
I|PRP read|VBP about|IN it|PRP in|IN the|DT paper|NN .|. 
And|CC did|VBD there|EX come|VB a|DT time|NN when|WRB you|PRP learned|VBD that|IN the|DT school|NN district|NN board|NN of|IN directors|NNS was|VBD considering|VBG a|DT supplemental|JJ textbook|NN ?|. 
Yes|UH .|. 
And|CC what|WP was|VBD the|DT basis|NN for|IN your|PRP$ knowledge|NN of|IN that|DT ?|. 
I|PRP learned|VBD that|IN from|IN the|DT paper|NN ,|, also|RB .|. 
And|CC what|WP did|VBD you|PRP learn|VBP ?|. 
That|DT they|PRP were|VBD going|VBG to|TO have|VB Of|IN Pandas|NNP and|CC People|NNS in|IN the|DT classroom|NN as|IN a|DT supplemental|JJ text|NN to|TO the|DT biology|NN book|NN .|. 
And|CC did|VBD you|PRP learn|VBP about|IN where|WRB that|DT book|NN was|VBD going|VBG to|TO come|VB from|IN ?|. 
It|PRP was|VBD donated|VBN .|. 
Now|RB ,|, did|VBD there|EX come|VB a|DT time|NN when|WRB you|PRP learned|VBD that|IN the|DT board|NN had|VBD made|VBN a|DT change|NN to|TO the|DT biology|NN curriculum|NN ?|. 
Yes|UH .|. 
And|CC approximately|RB when|WRB was|VBD that|DT ?|. 
In|IN October|NNP ,|, I|PRP believe|VBP it|PRP was|VBD ,|, in|IN '|POS 04|CD .|. 
It|PRP was|VBD in|IN the|DT newspaper|NN that|IN they|PRP were|VBD going|VBG to|TO be|VB teaching|VBG their|PRP$ intelligent|JJ design|NN from|IN Of|IN Pandas|NNP and|CC People|NNS .|. 
And|CC did|VBD you|PRP attend|VBP that|DT board|NN meeting|NN ?|. 
No.|NN 
And|CC did|VBD you|PRP learn|VBP anything|NN else|RB from|IN reading|VBG the|DT newspapers|NNS at|IN that|DT time|NN ?|. 
Well|RB ,|, that|IN they|PRP were|VBD going|VBG to|TO read|VB the|DT statement|NN in|IN the|DT classroom|NN ,|, yes|UH .|. 
Okay|UH .|. 
Now|RB ,|, I|PRP 'd|MD like|VB to|TO ask|VB you|PRP to|TO take|VB a|DT look|NN in|IN the|DT notebook|NN at|IN what|WP 's|VBZ been|VBN marked|VBN as|IN P|NN 127|CD .|. 
Yes|UH .|. 
Can|MD you|PRP tell|VB us|PRP what|WP it|PRP is|VBZ ?|. 
It|PRP 's|VBZ the|DT newsletter|NN that|WDT came|VBD to|TO the|DT house|NN in|IN the|DT mail|NN that|WDT told|VBD --|: that|WDT had|VBD the|DT statement|NN included|VBD that|IN they|PRP were|VBD going|VBG to|TO be|VB teaching|NN in|IN the|DT biology|NN class|NN .|. 
Now|RB ,|, do|VBP you|PRP know|VBP approximately|RB when|WRB you|PRP received|VBD this|DT ?|. 
Well|RB ,|, it|PRP says|VBZ it|PRP was|VBD February|NNP ,|, so|IN I|PRP 'm|VBP assuming|VBG it|PRP was|VBD February|NNP .|. 
Did|VBD there|EX come|VB a|DT time|NN when|WRB --|: let|VB me|PRP withdraw|VB that|DT .|. 
Do|VBP you|PRP believe|VB that|IN the|DT board|NN 's|POS actions|NNS in|IN this|DT case|NN ,|, the|DT change|NN to|TO the|DT biology|NN curriculum|NN and|CC its|PRP$ other|JJ actions|NNS ,|, have|VBP caused|VBN you|PRP harm|VBP ?|. 
Yes|UH ,|, I|PRP do|VBP .|. 
And|CC can|MD you|PRP tell|VB us|PRP what|WP harm|NN you|PRP believe|VBP that|IN it|PRP has|VBZ caused|VBN you|PRP ?|. 
Late|RB in|IN '|POS 04|CD my|PRP$ daughter|NN came|VBD home|NN from|IN school|NN ,|, and|CC I|PRP was|VBD discussing|VBG kind|NN of|IN what|WP was|VBD going|VBG on|IN in|IN the|DT district|NN with|IN her|PRP .|. 
And|CC she|PRP looked|VBD at|IN me|PRP and|CC she|PRP said|VBD ,|, Well|RB ,|, Mom|NN ,|, evolution|NN is|VBZ a|DT lie|NN ,|, what|WP kind|NN of|IN Christian|NNP are|VBP you|PRP ,|, anyway|RB ,|, which|WDT I|PRP found|VBD to|TO be|VB very|RB upsetting|VBG .|. 
Did|VBD you|PRP ask|VBP her|PRP$ why|WRB she|PRP said|VBD that|DT ?|. 
Yeah|UH ,|, I|PRP asked|VBD her|PRP$ why|WRB she|PRP said|VBD that|IN ,|, and|CC she|PRP said|VBD in|IN school|NN what|WP they|PRP had|VBD been|VBN talking|VBG about|IN or|CC amongst|IN her|PRP$ friends|NNS and|CC what|WP 's|VBZ going|VBG on|IN .|. 
She|PRP seemed|VBD to|TO be|VB under|IN the|DT impression|NN that|IN as|IN a|DT Christian|NNP ,|, she|PRP could|MD not|RB believe|VB that|DT evolution|NN was|VBD a|DT science|NN that|IN ,|, you|PRP know|VBP ,|, was|VBD true|JJ .|. 
And|CC how|WRB did|VBD that|DT harm|NN you|PRP ?|. 
Well|RB ,|, it|PRP goes|VBZ against|IN my|PRP$ beliefs|NNS .|. 
I|PRP have|VBP no|DT problems|NNS with|IN my|PRP$ faith|NN and|CC evolution|NN .|. 
They|PRP 're|VBP not|RB mutually|RB exclusive|JJ .|. 
No|DT further|JJ questions|NNS of|IN this|DT witness|NN .|. 
All|DT right|JJ .|. 
Cross-examine|NNP ,|, Mr.|NN Thompson|NNP .|. 
Thank|VB you|PRP ,|, Your|PRP$ Honor|NNP .|. 
CROSS-EXAMINATION|NNP BY|NNP MR|NNP .|. THOMPSON|NNP :|: Mrs.|NN 
Smith|NNP ,|, my|PRP$ name|NN is|VBZ Richard|NNP Thompson|NNP .|. 
I|PRP represent|VBP the|DT defendants|NNS in|IN this|DT case|NN .|. 
And|CC do|VBP you|PRP recall|VBP in|IN April|NNP where|WRB your|PRP$ deposition|NN was|VBD taken|VBN by|IN another|DT member|NN of|IN the|DT Thomas|NNP More|JJR Law|NNP Center|NNP ,|, Patrick|NNP Gillen|NNP ?|. 
Do|VBP you|PRP remember|VBP being|VBG involved|VBN in|IN that|DT deposition|NN ?|. 
Yes|UH ,|, I|PRP do|VBP .|. 
Were|VBD you|PRP present|JJ in|IN court|NN for|IN all|PDT the|DT testimony|NN that|WDT has|VBZ been|VBN given|VBN in|IN this|DT trial|NN ?|. 
No.|NN 
When|WRB did|VBD you|PRP get|VBP to|TO court|VB ?|. 
Tuesday|NNP morning|NN .|. 
Now|RB ,|, whose|WP$ testimony|NN have|VBP you|PRP heard|VBD so|RB far|RB ?|. 
I|PRP heard|VBD some|DT of|IN Ken|NNP Miller|NNP 's|POS .|. 
I|PRP heard|VBD Barrie|NNP Callahan|NNP ,|, Bryan|NNP Rehm|NNP .|. 
I|PRP heard|VBD the|DT gentleman|NN this|DT morning|NN .|. 
Okay|UH .|. 
You|PRP were|VBD asked|VBN to|TO become|VB a|DT plaintiff|NN in|IN this|DT case|NN by|IN the|DT ACLU|NNP ,|, were|VBD you|PRP not|RB ?|. 
No.|NN 
Did|VBD n't|RB someone|NN from|IN the|DT ACLU|NNP call|NN you|PRP ?|. 
Yes|UH ,|, they|PRP called|VBD me|PRP .|. 
But|CC I|PRP was|VBD actually|RB asked|VBN by|IN my|PRP$ friend|NN at|IN work|NN ,|, who|WP said|VBD to|TO me|PRP ,|, would|MD you|PRP be|VB interested|JJ in|IN having|VBG the|DT ACLU|NNP contact|NN you|PRP ,|, and|CC I|PRP said|VBD yes|UH .|. 
And|CC so|IN the|DT ACLU|NNP contacted|VBD you|PRP ,|, and|CC you|PRP agreed|VBD to|TO become|VB a|DT plaintiff|NN in|IN this|DT case|NN ?|. 
Yes|UH .|. 
Now|RB ,|, will|MD you|PRP agree|VB with|IN me|PRP that|IN the|DT policy|NN which|WDT is|VBZ the|DT subject|JJ matter|NN of|IN this|DT lawsuit|NN ,|, the|DT curriculum|NN change|NN in|IN the|DT biology|NN for|IN ninth|JJ grade|NN ,|, took|VBD place|NN on|IN October|NNP 18th|JJ ,|, 2004|CD ?|. 
Yes|UH .|. 
That|DT 's|VBZ when|WRB the|DT board|NN passed|VBD the|DT resolution|NN that|WDT changed|VBD the|DT biology|NN curriculum|NN ?|. 
I|PRP believe|VBP so|RB ,|, yes|UH .|. 
And|CC that|DT policy|NN was|VBD implemented|VBN for|IN the|DT first|JJ time|NN in|IN January|NNP of|IN 2005|CD .|. 
Is|VBZ that|DT correct|JJ ?|. 
That|DT 's|VBZ correct|JJ .|. 
In|IN January|NNP ,|, 2005|CD ,|, where|WRB was|VBD your|PRP$ son|NN ?|. 
My|PRP$ son|NN was|VBD in|IN college|NN .|. 
So|IN he|PRP had|VBD already|RB graduated|VBN from|IN Dover|NNP High|NNP School|NNP ?|. 
Yes|UH ,|, that|DT 's|VBZ correct|JJ .|. 
And|CC in|IN January|NNP ,|, 2005|CD ,|, where|WRB was|VBD your|PRP$ daughter|NN ?|. 
She|PRP was|VBD in|IN school|NN .|. 
What|WP grade|NN ?|. 
She|PRP was|VBD in|IN grade|NN ten|CD .|. 
So|IN you|PRP will|MD agree|VB with|IN me|PRP that|IN this|DT biology|NN curriculum|NN really|RB only|RB affected|VBN ,|, as|RB far|RB as|IN the|DT statement|NN was|VBD read|VBN ,|, ninth-grade|JJ biology|NN students|NNS ?|. 
No|DT ,|, that|DT 's|VBZ not|RB true|JJ .|. 
So|IN the|DT statement|NN was|VBD read|VBN to|TO other|JJ classes|NNS ?|. 
No|DT ,|, but|CC it|PRP would|MD affect|VB all|PDT the|DT students|NNS at|IN the|DT school|NN .|. 
Well|RB ,|, listen|VB to|TO my|PRP$ question|NN .|. 
This|DT policy|NN provided|VBN that|IN the|DT statement|NN was|VBD read|VBN to|TO ninth-grade|JJ biology|NN students|NNS .|. 
Do|VBP you|PRP agree|VB with|IN that|DT ?|. 
I|PRP agree|VBP it|PRP was|VBD read|VBN to|TO ninth-grade|JJ biology|NN students|NNS .|. 
Okay|UH .|. 
And|CC your|PRP$ daughter|NN had|VBD already|RB graduated|VBN from|IN the|DT ninth|JJ grade|NN ?|. 
That|DT 's|VBZ correct|JJ .|. 
So|RB at|IN the|DT time|NN that|IN this|DT policy|NN was|VBD implemented|VBN ,|, both|DT of|IN your|PRP$ children|NNS were|VBD out|IN of|IN the|DT ninth|JJ grade|NN ?|. 
That|DT 's|VBZ correct|JJ .|. 
Neither|DT one|CD of|IN them|PRP would|MD be|VB subject|JJ to|TO the|DT statement|NN being|VBG read|NN to|TO them|PRP .|. 
Is|VBZ that|DT correct|JJ ?|. 
That|DT 's|VBZ correct|JJ .|. 
Okay|UH .|. 
Now|RB ,|, you|PRP indicated|VBD to|TO your|PRP$ lawyer|NN that|IN you|PRP got|VBD involved|VBN because|IN of|IN newspaper|NN articles|NNS that|IN you|PRP read|VBP ?|. 
That|DT 's|VBZ correct|JJ .|. 
Okay|UH .|. 
Now|RB ,|, is|VBZ it|PRP an|DT accurate|JJ statement|NN that|IN in|IN the|DT year|NN 2004|CD ,|, prior|RB to|TO you|PRP becoming|VBG a|DT plaintiff|NN in|IN this|DT case|NN ,|, you|PRP had|VBD never|RB attended|VBN a|DT single|JJ board|NN meeting|NN --|: 
That|DT 's|VBZ not|RB correct|JJ .|. 
--|: in|IN 2004|CD ?|. 
In|IN 2004|CD ,|, that|DT 's|VBZ correct|JJ .|. 
Okay|UH .|. 
Just|RB please|VB answer|NN my|PRP$ question|NN and|CC then|RB your|PRP$ attorney|NN can|MD ask|VB you|PRP to|TO explain|VB if|IN he|PRP wants|VBZ to|TO .|. 
So|RB in|IN 2004|CD ,|, prior|RB to|TO this|DT --|: prior|RB to|TO you|PRP becoming|VBG a|DT plaintiff|NN ,|, you|PRP never|RB attended|VBD a|DT board|NN meeting|NN in|IN that|DT year|NN ?|. 
In|IN that|DT year|NN .|. 
Okay|UH .|. 
Before|IN that|DT ,|, yes|UH .|. 
In|IN 2003|CD ,|, you|PRP never|RB attended|VBD a|DT board|NN meeting|NN .|. 
Is|VBZ that|DT correct|JJ ?|. 
No|DT ,|, I|PRP had|VBD attended|VBN board|NN meetings|NNS previously|RB .|. 
I|PRP did|VBD n't|RB ask|VB you|PRP that|DT question|NN .|. 
I|PRP asked|VBD you|PRP ,|, in|IN 2003|CD ,|, did|VBD you|PRP attend|VBP a|DT board|NN meeting|NN ?|. 
I|PRP 'm|VBP going|VBG to|TO say|VB I|PRP do|VBP n't|RB remember|VB which|WDT board|NN meetings|NNS I|PRP attended|VBD .|. 
In|IN --|: 
Objection|NNP .|. 
Arguing|VBG with|IN the|DT witness|NN and|CC beyond|IN the|DT scope|NN --|: 
I|PRP 'm|VBP asking|VBG questions|NNS .|. 
Excuse|NNP me|PRP ,|, and|CC beyond|IN the|DT scope|NN of|IN direct|JJ .|. 
Wait|VB ,|, wait|VB .|. 
One|CD at|IN a|DT time|NN .|. 
Let|VB him|PRP finish|VB ,|, Mr.|NN Thompson|NNP .|. 
Finish|NNP the|DT objection|NN .|. 
Objection|NNP ,|, arguing|VBG with|IN the|DT witness|NN and|CC beyond|IN the|DT scope|NN of|IN direct|JJ .|. 
I|PRP do|VBP n't|RB find|VB it|PRP beyond|IN the|DT scope|NN of|IN direct|JJ .|. 
It|PRP 's|VBZ appropriate|JJ cross-examination|JJ .|. 
It|PRP 's|VBZ overruled|VBN on|IN that|DT basis|NN .|. 
We|PRP 're|VBP getting|VBG argumentative|JJ only|RB because|IN I|PRP think|VBP the|DT witness|NN and|CC counsel|NN are|VBP talking|VBG over|IN each|DT other|JJ .|. 
Each|DT of|IN you|PRP let|VBP the|DT other|JJ finish|NN before|IN you|PRP start|VBP talking|VBG .|. 
I|PRP apologize|VB ,|, Your|PRP$ Honor|NNP .|. 
There|EX 's|VBZ a|DT great|JJ temptation|NN in|IN cross-examination|JJ to|TO talk|VB over|IN .|. 
That|DT happens|VBZ .|. 
So|RB let|VB 's|POS get|VB a|DT question|NN on|IN the|DT floor|NN .|. 
Why|WRB do|VBP n't|RB you|PRP restate|VB your|PRP$ question|NN ,|, Mr.|NN Thompson|NNP .|. 
Okay|UH .|. 
BY|NNP MR|NNP .|. THOMPSON|NNP Is|VBZ it|PRP true|JJ that|IN you|PRP did|VBD not|RB attend|VB a|DT board|NN meeting|NN in|IN the|DT year|NN 2003|CD ?|. 
I|PRP 'm|VBP not|RB going|VBG to|TO say|VB that|DT 's|VBZ not|RB true|JJ .|. 
I|PRP do|VBP n't|RB remember|VB which|WDT board|NN meetings|NNS I|PRP attended|VBD .|. 
I|PRP did|VBD attend|VB some|DT before|IN '|POS 04|CD .|. 
Is|VBZ it|PRP true|JJ that|IN you|PRP did|VBD n't|RB attend|VB a|DT board|NN meeting|NN in|IN 2002|CD ?|. 
I|PRP told|VBD you|PRP I|PRP do|VBP n't|RB remember|VB which|WDT year|NN I|PRP --|: I|PRP attended|VBD board|NN meetings|NNS during|IN the|DT construction|NN project|NN ,|, so|RB when|WRB that|WDT was|VBD ,|, that|DT 's|VBZ when|WRB I|PRP was|VBD there|RB .|. 
And|CC that|DT was|VBD the|DT year|NN 2000|CD ,|, was|VBD it|PRP not|RB ?|. 
I|PRP do|VBP n't|RB remember|VB .|. 
Mrs.|NN Smith|NNP ,|, I|PRP 'm|VBP going|VBG to|TO hand|VB you|PRP --|: 
Your|PRP$ Honor|NNP ,|, may|MD I|PRP approach|VBP the|DT witness|NN ?|. 
You|PRP may|MD .|. 
BY|NNP MR|NNP .|. THOMPSON|NNP Mrs.|NN Smith|NNP ,|, I|PRP 'm|VBP going|VBG to|TO hand|VB you|PRP what|WP purports|VBZ to|TO be|VB your|PRP$ deposition|NN that|WDT was|VBD taken|VBN by|IN Patrick|NNP Gillen|NNP .|. 
I|PRP would|MD like|VB you|PRP to|TO direct|VB your|PRP$ attention|NN to|TO Page|NNP 13|CD ,|, and|CC I|PRP would|MD like|VB you|PRP to|TO read|VB out|IN loud|JJ the|DT question|NN that|IN you|PRP are|VBP asked|VBN starting|VBG with|IN Line|NNP 18|CD and|CC all|PDT the|DT way|NN down|RB through|IN that|DT page|NN and|CC then|RB going|VBG on|IN to|TO the|DT next|JJ page|NN ,|, Page|NNP 14|CD ,|, and|CC reading|NN from|IN Line|NNP 1|CD through|IN Line|NNP 4|CD .|. 
And|CC please|VB read|VB it|PRP out|IN loud|JJ .|. 
You|PRP want|VBP me|PRP to|TO read|VB out|IN loud|JJ starting|NN on|IN 18|CD ?|. 
Line|NNP that|WDT starts|VBZ with|IN Q|NNP ,|, which|WDT represents|VBZ the|DT question|NN that|WDT was|VBD asked|VBN by|IN Mr.|NN Gillen|NNP ,|, and|CC A|DT represents|VBZ your|PRP$ answer|NN .|. 
Would|MD you|PRP please|VB read|VB it|PRP out|IN loud|JJ .|. 
"|'' Let|VB me|PRP just|RB make|VBP sure|JJ I|PRP get|VBP you|PRP there|EX and|CC go|VB on|IN .|. 
You|PRP attended|VBD board|NN meetings|NNS .|. 
Give|VB me|PRP a|DT sense|NN of|IN which|WDT ones|NNS you|PRP attended|VBD .|. 
They|PRP were|VBD not|RB the|DT board|NN meetings|NNS "|'' --|: 
Now|RB give|VB me|PRP your|PRP$ answer|NN .|. 
So|RB that|IN the|DT record|NN will|MD reflect|VB ,|, that|WDT was|VBD the|DT question|NN and|CC now|RB your|PRP$ answer|NN ,|, starting|VBG with|IN Line|NNP 21|CD .|. 
You|PRP want|VBP me|PRP to|TO read|VB it|PRP ?|. 
Yes|UH .|. 
"|'' They|PRP were|VBD not|RB the|DT board|NN meetings|NNS ,|, and|CC we|PRP were|VBD not|RB discussing|VBG intelligent|JJ design|NN .|. 
When|WRB I|PRP went|VBD to|TO some|DT board|NN meetings|NNS ,|, it|PRP was|VBD several|JJ years|NNS ago|RB .|. 
We|PRP were|VBD discussing|VBG the|DT building|NN project|NN ,|, and|CC it|PRP has|VBZ nothing|NN to|TO do|VB with|IN the|DT intelligent|JJ design|NN .|. 
"|'' And|CC then|RB go|VB on|IN to|TO the|DT next|JJ page|NN ,|, and|CC the|DT question|NN that|IN Mr.|NN Gillen|NNP asked|VBD you|PRP starting|VBG on|IN Line|NNP 1|CD ?|. 
"|'' That|DT is|VBZ all|DT I|PRP am|VBP trying|VBG to|TO get|VB a|DT sense|NN for|IN .|. 
I|PRP am|VBP not|RB familiar|JJ with|IN the|DT dates|NNS for|IN the|DT building|NN project|NN .|. 
Was|VBD that|DT '|POS 03|CD or|CC '|POS 02|CD ?|. 
"|'' "|'' Was|VBD that|IN 2003|CD or|CC 2002|CD ,|, "|'' is|VBZ that|DT right|NN ,|, the|DT question|NN ?|. 
That|DT 's|VBZ correct|JJ .|. 
Okay|UH .|. 
And|CC what|WP was|VBD your|PRP$ answer|NN ?|. 
"|'' I|PRP would|MD say|VB more|RBR like|IN 2000|CD .|. 
"|'' So|RB was|VBD that|IN an|DT accurate|JJ reflection|NN of|IN your|PRP$ memory|NN at|IN the|DT time|NN that|IN the|DT deposition|NN was|VBD taken|VBN ?|. 
Yes|UH .|. 
Okay|UH .|. 
Does|VBZ that|WDT seem|VBP right|NN that|IN the|DT board|NN meetings|NNS that|IN you|PRP attended|VBD prior|RB to|TO being|VBG a|DT plaintiff|NN in|IN a|DT lawsuit|NN was|VBD in|IN the|DT year|NN 2000|CD ?|. 
If|IN that|DT 's|VBZ what|WP I|PRP said|VBD ,|, that|DT 's|VBZ what|WP I|PRP recalled|VBD at|IN the|DT time|NN ,|, yes|UH .|. 
So|RB based|VBN upon|IN the|DT response|NN that|IN you|PRP gave|VBD to|TO your|PRP$ attorney|NN ,|, is|VBZ it|PRP a|DT fair|JJ statement|NN that|IN you|PRP began|VBD as|IN a|DT plaintiff|NN in|IN this|DT case|NN in|IN December|NNP ,|, 2004|CD ,|, without|IN ever|RB having|VBG personally|RB witnessed|VBN the|DT actions|NNS of|IN the|DT Dover|NNP School|NNP Board|NNP as|IN they|PRP debated|VBN and|CC enacted|VBD the|DT policy|NN on|IN which|WDT this|DT lawsuit|NN is|VBZ based|VBN ?|. 
MR|NNP .|. HARVEY|NNP :|: Objection|NNP .|. 
It|PRP 's|VBZ compound|NN .|. 
BY|NNP MR|NNP .|. THOMPSON|NNP Can|MD you|PRP answer|VBP that|DT question|NN ?|. 
Now|RB ,|, wait|VB .|. 
She|PRP 's|VBZ not|RB going|VBG to|TO answer|VB it|PRP until|IN I|PRP rule|VBP on|IN the|DT objection|NN .|. 
Elaborate|NNP on|IN your|PRP$ objection|NN .|. 
I|PRP think|VBP there|EX are|VBP several|JJ predicates|NNS to|TO that|DT question|NN .|. 
He|PRP asked|VBD whether|IN you|PRP were|VBD present|JJ at|IN any|DT of|IN the|DT board|NN meetings|NNS while|IN they|PRP debated|VBN and|CC then|RB enacted|VBD this|DT resolution|NN ,|, and|CC I|PRP 'm|VBP not|RB aware|JJ of|IN any|DT testimony|NN that|IN they|PRP debated|VBN the|DT resolution|NN .|. 
Well|RB ,|, I|PRP think|VBP it|PRP 's|VBZ a|DT fair|JJ characterization|NN that|IN there|EX was|VBD discussion|NN about|IN the|DT policy|NN .|. 
I|PRP 'll|MD overrule|VB the|DT objection|NN .|. 
You|PRP can|MD answer|VB the|DT question|NN .|. 
Do|VBP you|PRP recall|VBP the|DT question|NN ?|. 
No.|NN 
Let|VB 's|PRP have|VBP the|DT question|NN read|NN back|RB ,|, please|VB .|. 
(|( Previous|JJ question|NN read|NN back|RB .|. 
)|) That|DT 's|VBZ correct|JJ .|. 
BY|NNP MR|NNP .|. THOMPSON|NNP In|IN fact|NN ,|, all|DT of|IN the|DT information|NN upon|IN which|WDT you|PRP --|: strike|NN that|DT .|. 
In|IN fact|NN ,|, the|DT information|NN that|IN you|PRP were|VBD getting|VBG about|IN what|WP the|DT school|NN board|NN was|VBD doing|VBG in|IN 2004|CD came|VBD from|IN newspapers|NNS .|. 
Is|VBZ that|DT correct|JJ ?|. 
That|DT 's|VBZ correct|JJ .|. 
And|CC I|PRP believe|VBP in|IN your|PRP$ deposition|NN you|PRP indicated|VBD that|IN you|PRP looked|VBD at|IN the|DT morning|NN newspapers|NNS almost|RB on|IN a|DT daily|JJ basis|NN ?|. 
That|DT 's|VBZ correct|JJ .|. 
And|CC when|WRB you|PRP were|VBD looking|VBG at|IN the|DT morning|NN newspapers|NNS ,|, that|IN you|PRP got|VBD very|RB upset|VBN about|IN what|WP you|PRP read|VBP regarding|VBG the|DT Dover|NNP School|NNP Board|NNP and|CC the|DT policies|NNS that|IN they|PRP were|VBD debating|VBG .|. 
Is|VBZ that|DT correct|JJ ?|. 
That|DT 's|VBZ correct|JJ .|. 
What|WP were|VBD the|DT two|CD --|: what|WP were|VBD the|DT newspapers|NNS that|IN you|PRP were|VBD looking|VBG at|IN during|IN this|DT time|NN ?|. 
I|PRP read|VBP the|DT Daily|NNP Record|NNP every|DT morning|NN .|. 
What|WP about|IN the|DT York|NNP Dispatch|NNP ?|. 
Not|RB regularly|RB ,|, no|UH .|. 
Okay|UH .|. 
So|RB that|IN it|PRP would|MD be|VB a|DT fair|JJ statement|NN that|IN even|RB though|IN what|WP you|PRP were|VBD reading|VBG in|IN the|DT newspapers|NNS got|VBD you|PRP upset|VBD ,|, that|IN you|PRP never|RB personally|RB attended|VBD one|CD of|IN the|DT board|NN meetings|NNS in|IN that|DT year|NN ?|. 
That|DT 's|VBZ correct|JJ .|. 
There|EX were|VBD personal|JJ issues|NNS in|IN my|PRP$ life|NN at|IN that|DT time|NN where|WRB I|PRP was|VBD not|RB able|JJ to|TO do|VB that|DT .|. 
And|CC it|PRP is|VBZ true|JJ that|IN you|PRP never|RB spoke|VBD to|TO any|DT of|IN the|DT members|NNS of|IN the|DT Dover|NNP School|NNP Board|NNP about|IN the|DT issues|NNS that|WDT concerned|VBD you|PRP .|. 
Is|VBZ that|DT correct|JJ ?|. 
That|DT 's|VBZ correct|JJ .|. 
You|PRP never|RB called|VBD them|PRP .|. 
Is|VBZ that|DT correct|JJ ?|. 
That|DT 's|VBZ correct|JJ .|. 
You|PRP never|RB e-mailed|JJ them|PRP .|. 
Is|VBZ that|DT correct|JJ ?|. 
That|DT 's|VBZ correct|JJ .|. 
Did|VBD you|PRP write|VBP letters|NNS to|TO the|DT editor|NN about|IN what|WP the|DT school|NN board|NN was|VBD doing|VBG ?|. 
No.|NN 
So|RB that|IN the|DT first|JJ time|NN that|IN the|DT school|NN board|NN would|MD know|VB that|IN you|PRP were|VBD upset|VBN with|IN their|PRP$ actions|NNS is|VBZ when|WRB they|PRP learned|VBD of|IN you|PRP being|VBG a|DT plaintiff|NN in|IN this|DT lawsuit|NN .|. 
Is|VBZ that|DT correct|JJ ?|. 
That|DT 's|VBZ correct|JJ .|. 
Okay|UH .|. 
Now|RB ,|, did|VBD you|PRP ever|RB speak|VBP to|TO any|DT of|IN the|DT teachers|NNS at|IN Dover|NNP High|NNP School|NNP before|IN you|PRP became|VBD a|DT plaintiff|NN in|IN this|DT case|NN ?|. 
No.|NN 
Did|VBD you|PRP ever|RB speak|VBP to|TO any|DT of|IN the|DT reporters|NNS who|WP had|VBD written|VBN the|DT stories|NNS about|IN what|WP the|DT Dover|NNP School|NNP Board|NNP was|VBD doing|VBG during|IN this|DT time|NN ?|. 
No.|NN 
Did|VBD you|PRP ever|RB receive|VBP any|DT minutes|NNS or|CC notes|NNS about|IN what|WP the|DT Dover|NNP School|NNP Board|NNP was|VBD doing|VBG during|IN this|DT time|NN ?|. 
No.|NN 
You|PRP never|RB sent|VBD anyone|NN e-mails|JJ or|CC any|DT other|JJ communication|NN regarding|VBG this|DT issue|NN .|. 
Is|VBZ that|IN a|DT fair|JJ statement|NN ?|. 
That|DT 's|VBZ a|DT fair|JJ statement|NN .|. 
In|IN fact|NN ,|, one|CD of|IN the|DT issues|NNS in|IN this|DT case|NN is|VBZ this|DT book|NN Of|IN Pandas|NNP and|CC People|NNS .|. 
Is|VBZ that|DT correct|JJ ?|. 
That|DT 's|VBZ correct|JJ .|. 
You|PRP never|RB looked|VBD at|IN the|DT book|NN Of|IN Pandas|NNP and|CC People|NNS before|IN you|PRP became|VBD a|DT plaintiff|NN in|IN this|DT lawsuit|NN ,|, did|VBD you|PRP ?|. 
I|PRP did|VBD n't|RB feel|VB that|IN I|PRP could|MD look|VB at|IN it|PRP .|. 
It|PRP was|VBD in|IN --|: I|PRP guess|VBP it|PRP was|VBD in|IN the|DT library|NN at|IN the|DT school|NN ,|, but|CC I|PRP was|VBD not|RB aware|JJ if|IN we|PRP could|MD go|VB in|IN the|DT school|NN library|NN and|CC take|VB out|RP books|NNS or|CC not|RB .|. 
Well|RB ,|, did|VBD you|PRP make|VBP any|DT effort|NN to|TO go|VB and|CC look|VB at|IN it|PRP ?|. 
I|PRP really|RB was|VBD n't|RB interested|JJ .|. 
Now|RB ,|, your|PRP$ attorney|NN referred|VBD to|TO a|DT newsletter|NN that|IN you|PRP received|VBD in|IN February|NNP .|. 
Do|VBP you|PRP have|VB a|DT copy|NN of|IN that|DT newsletter|NN in|IN front|NN of|IN you|PRP ?|. 
Yes|UH .|. 
And|CC I|PRP believe|VBP you|PRP indicated|VBD that|IN you|PRP thought|VBD the|DT newsletter|NN was|VBD sent|VBN in|IN February|NNP ,|, 2002|CD ?|. 
No.|NN 
Excuse|NNP me|PRP ,|, 2005|CD .|. 
Excuse|NNP me|PRP .|. 
Correct|NNP .|. 
Okay|UH .|. 
Could|MD we|PRP have|VB that|DT newsletter|NN ?|. 
I|PRP would|MD like|VB you|PRP to|TO read|VB from|IN that|DT newsletter|NN on|IN the|DT top|JJ left-hand|JJ side|NN in|IN that|DT box|NN .|. 
Read|NNP it|PRP out|IN loud|JJ ,|, please|VB .|. 
"|'' This|DT newsletter|NN has|VBZ been|VBN produced|VBN to|TO help|VB explain|VB the|DT changes|NNS in|IN the|DT biology|NN curriculum|NN .|. 
Unfortunately|RB ,|, a|DT great|JJ deal|NN of|IN misinformation|NN has|VBZ been|VBN spread|NN regarding|VBG this|DT policy|NN .|. 
We|PRP hope|VBP this|DT publication|NN will|MD help|VB those|DT interested|JJ better|JJR understand|VB the|DT substance|NN of|IN the|DT policy|NN while|IN eliminating|VBG any|DT misconceptions|NNS some|DT may|MD have|VB about|IN the|DT curriculum|NN change|NN .|. 
We|PRP sincerely|RB appreciate|VBP your|PRP$ understanding|NN on|IN this|DT matter|NN .|. 
"|'' Thank|VB you|PRP .|. 
It|PRP was|VBD through|IN this|DT policy|NN that|IN you|PRP first|RB learned|VBD about|IN the|DT statement|NN that|WDT was|VBD going|VBG to|TO be|VB read|VBN .|. 
Is|VBZ that|DT correct|JJ ?|. 
No|DT ,|, I|PRP believe|VBP --|: no|DT ,|, I|PRP heard|VBD about|IN it|PRP before|RB .|. 
But|CC did|VBD you|PRP actually|RB see|VBP the|DT statement|NN before|RP ?|. 
I|PRP do|VBP n't|RB think|VB so|RB .|. 
So|IN this|DT was|VBD the|DT first|JJ time|NN that|IN you|PRP saw|VBD the|DT statement|NN that|WDT was|VBD going|VBG to|TO be|VB read|VBN to|TO the|DT students|NNS in|IN the|DT ninth-grade|JJ biology|NN class|NN .|. 
Is|VBZ that|DT correct|JJ ?|. 
I|PRP believe|VBP so|RB .|. 
Okay|UH .|. 
As|RB far|RB as|IN I|PRP can|MD tell|VB .|. 
And|CC so|IN this|DT newsletter|NN was|VBD actually|RB providing|VBG information|NN to|TO the|DT residents|NNS of|IN Dover|NNP as|IN to|TO what|WP the|DT actual|JJ newsletter|NN was|VBD --|: excuse|NN me|PRP ,|, what|WP the|DT actual|JJ statement|NN was|VBD going|VBG to|TO say|VB .|. 
Is|VBZ that|DT correct|JJ ?|. 
Yes|UH .|. 
Okay|UH .|. 
So|IN you|PRP had|VBD no|DT problem|NN with|IN the|DT fact|NN that|IN the|DT newsletter|NN was|VBD being|VBG produced|VBN ,|, even|RB though|IN you|PRP had|VBD a|DT problem|NN with|IN the|DT policy|NN .|. 
Is|VBZ that|DT correct|JJ ?|. 
No.|NN 
Now|RB ,|, there|EX 's|VBZ a|DT bit|NN of|IN street|NN wisdom|NN ,|, and|CC I|PRP do|VBP n't|RB know|VB whether|IN you|PRP agree|VBP with|IN this|DT or|CC not|RB ,|, and|CC that|DT street|NN wisdom|NN is|VBZ ,|, do|VBP n't|RB believe|VB everything|NN you|PRP read|VBP in|IN the|DT newspapers|NNS .|. 
Have|VBP you|PRP ever|RB heard|VBD that|DT ?|. 
Yeah|UH ,|, I|PRP 've|VBP heard|VBN that|DT before|RB .|. 
Okay|UH .|. 
And|CC so|RB if|IN you|PRP do|VBP n't|RB believe|VB everything|NN in|IN the|DT newspapers|NNS ,|, do|VBP n't|RB you|PRP think|VB before|IN you|PRP became|VBD a|DT plaintiff|NN in|IN a|DT lawsuit|NN that|IN you|PRP should|MD have|VB taken|VBN some|DT personal|JJ action|NN to|TO verify|VB whether|IN things|NNS that|WDT were|VBD produced|VBN in|IN a|DT newspaper|NN were|VBD really|RB accurate|JJ ?|. 
I|PRP did|VBD talk|NN to|TO people|NNS in|IN the|DT district|NN ,|, other|JJ people|NNS in|IN the|DT district|NN .|. 
Who|WP did|VBD you|PRP talk|VBP to|TO ?|. 
People|NNS that|IN I|PRP work|VBP with|IN ,|, other|JJ people|NNS in|IN the|DT district|NN .|. 
But|CC you|PRP never|RB even|RB saw|VBD the|DT policy|NN until|IN that|DT newsletter|NN came|VBD out|RP .|. 
Is|VBZ that|DT correct|JJ ?|. 
I|PRP got|VBD my|PRP$ information|NN from|IN the|DT newspaper|NN ,|, yes|UH .|. 
And|CC the|DT newspaper|NN .|. 
Now|RB ,|, have|VBP you|PRP ever|RB had|VBD involvement|NN with|IN newspapers|NNS before|RP ?|. 
Have|VBP you|PRP been|VBN interviewed|VBN ?|. 
Have|VBP you|PRP been|VBN interviewed|VBN by|IN news|NN reporters|NNS before|RP ?|. 
No.|NN 
But|CC would|MD it|PRP be|VB a|DT fair|JJ statement|NN to|TO say|VB in|IN the|DT normal|JJ experience|NN that|IN newspaper|NN reporters|NNS might|MD spend|VB five|CD ,|, ten|CD ,|, or|CC fifteen|CD minutes|NNS interviewing|VBG a|DT person|NN and|CC then|RB only|RB put|VB one|CD line|NN of|IN that|DT interview|NN in|IN an|DT article|NN ?|. 
Objection|NNP .|. 
No|DT foundation|NN that|IN she|PRP has|VBZ any|DT experience|NN as|IN referred|VBN to|TO in|IN the|DT question|NN .|. 
Do|VBP you|PRP want|VB to|TO respond|VB to|TO that|DT Mr.|NN Thompson|NNP ?|. 
Well|RB ,|, I|PRP think|VBP it|PRP 's|VBZ common|JJ experience|NN and|CC it|PRP 's|VBZ knowledge|NN ,|, it|PRP 's|VBZ common|JJ sense|NN .|. 
Now|RB I|PRP think|VBP we|PRP 're|VBP going|VBG afield|RB .|. 
I|PRP 'll|MD sustain|VB the|DT objection|NN .|. 
We|PRP 're|VBP now|RB clearly|RB outside|IN the|DT scope|NN of|IN direct|JJ ,|, the|DT objection|NN is|VBZ sustained|VBN .|. 
BY|NNP MR|NNP .|. THOMPSON|NNP Well|RB ,|, you|PRP said|VBD that|IN you|PRP were|VBD upset|VBN by|IN the|DT policy|NN because|IN it|PRP conflicts|NNS with|IN your|PRP$ religion|NN ?|. 
I|PRP said|VBD I|PRP was|VBD upset|VBN about|IN it|PRP because|IN I|PRP did|VBD n't|RB find|VB a|DT problem|NN with|IN it|PRP with|IN my|PRP$ religion|NN .|. 
It|PRP does|VBZ not|RB --|: I|PRP 'm|VBP getting|VBG confused|VBN .|. 
I|PRP have|VBP a|DT problem|NN with|IN it|PRP because|IN my|PRP$ daughter|NN came|VBD home|NN from|IN school|NN and|CC she|PRP says|VBZ to|TO me|PRP ,|, What|WP kind|NN of|IN Christian|NNP are|VBP you|PRP ,|, anyway|RB ?|. 
So|RB that|DT 's|VBZ why|WRB I|PRP have|VBP a|DT problem|NN with|IN it|PRP .|. 
If|IN you|PRP recall|VBP your|PRP$ deposition|NN --|: and|CC I|PRP certainly|RB will|MD give|VB you|PRP an|DT opportunity|NN to|TO look|VB at|IN it|PRP if|IN you|PRP do|VBP n't|RB recall|VB it|PRP --|: the|DT incident|NN that|IN you|PRP 're|VBP referring|VBG to|TO ,|, also|RB you|PRP received|VBD information|NN that|IN your|PRP$ daughter|NN was|VBD a|DT member|NN of|IN a|DT Bible|NNP club|NN .|. 
Right|RB ?|. 
Yes|UH .|. 
And|CC up|IN to|TO that|DT point|NN ,|, you|PRP were|VBD not|RB even|RB aware|JJ she|PRP was|VBD a|DT member|NN of|IN a|DT Bible|NNP club|NN .|. 
Is|VBZ n't|RB that|DT correct|JJ ?|. 
That|DT 's|VBZ correct|JJ .|. 
And|CC that|IN it|PRP was|VBD --|: she|PRP had|VBD a|DT lot|NN of|IN friends|NNS who|WP went|VBD to|TO Protestant|JJ fundamental|JJ churches|NNS .|. 
Is|VBZ that|DT correct|JJ ?|. 
Yes|UH ,|, she|PRP does|VBZ .|. 
And|CC she|PRP received|VBD that|DT information|NN from|IN her|PRP$ friends|NNS ,|, her|PRP$ Protestant|JJ friends|NNS in|IN school|NN or|CC in|IN the|DT Bible|NNP club|NN .|. 
Is|VBZ n't|RB that|DT correct|JJ ?|. 
I|PRP would|MD assume|VB that|DT 's|VBZ where|WRB she|PRP got|VBD her|PRP$ information|NN ,|, from|IN the|DT Bible|NNP club|NN at|IN school|NN .|. 
Plus|NNP they|PRP talked|VBD about|IN it|PRP .|. 
And|CC the|DT fact|NN that|DT someone|NN believes|VBZ in|IN intelligent|JJ design|NN does|VBZ not|RB make|VB that|IN inconsistent|JJ with|IN the|DT Catholic|NNP faith|NN ,|, does|VBZ it|PRP ?|. 
I|PRP spoke|VBD to|TO my|PRP$ deacon|NN about|IN this|DT situation|NN ,|, and|CC all|DT I|PRP know|VBP is|VBZ what|WP he|PRP told|VBD me|PRP .|. 
Is|VBZ he|PRP a|DT theologian|NN ?|. 
He|PRP 's|VBZ a|DT deacon|NN at|IN St.|NN Rose|NNP Catholic|NNP Church|NNP .|. 
Do|VBP you|PRP know|VBP if|IN he|PRP has|VBZ any|DT particular|JJ expertise|NN in|IN Catholic|NNP theology|NN ?|. 
Objection|NNP again|RB .|. 
Beyond|IN the|DT scope|NN of|IN direct|JJ ,|, Your|PRP$ Honor|NNP .|. 
She|PRP brought|VBD the|DT issue|NN up|RB of|IN religion|NN ,|, Your|PRP$ Honor|NNP ,|, and|CC I|PRP 'm|VBP exploring|VBG that|DT .|. 
Well|RB ,|, I|PRP think|VBP it|PRP is|VBZ beyond|IN the|DT scope|NN ,|, again|RB ,|, the|DT colorable|JJ scope|NN of|IN direct|JJ ,|, and|CC I|PRP 'll|MD sustain|VB the|DT objection|NN .|. 
This|DT is|VBZ not|RB a|DT deposition|NN .|. 
This|DT is|VBZ testimony|NN in|IN the|DT case-in-chief|JJ ,|, and|CC we|PRP 're|VBP afield|RB .|. 
BY|NNP MR|NNP .|. THOMPSON|NNP Now|RB ,|, the|DT book|NN Of|IN Pandas|NNP and|CC People|NNS ,|, you|PRP do|VBP n't|RB mind|VB that|DT book|NN being|VBG in|IN the|DT library|NN ,|, do|VBP you|PRP ?|. 
No|DT ,|, I|PRP do|VBP n't|RB have|VB a|DT problem|NN with|IN it|PRP being|VBG in|IN the|DT library|NN .|. 
You|PRP heard|VBD yesterday|NN ,|, if|IN you|PRP attended|VBD the|DT deposition|NN of|IN --|: excuse|NN me|PRP ,|, the|DT testimony|NN of|IN Mr.|NN Rehm|NNP 's|POS ,|, that|IN the|DT science|NN teachers|NNS ,|, in|IN a|DT compromised|JJ move|NN ,|, had|VBD agreed|VBN to|TO put|VB Of|IN Pandas|NNP and|CC People|NNS in|IN the|DT science|NN class|NN .|. 
Did|VBD you|PRP hear|VBP that|DT ?|. 
Objection|NNP ,|, Your|PRP$ Honor|NNP .|. 
Mischaracterizes|NNP the|DT testimony|NN .|. 
In|IN what|WP sense|NN ?|. 
I|PRP believe|VBP Mr.|NN Rehm|NNP testified|VBD that|IN the|DT teachers|NNS did|VBD not|RB agree|VB to|TO put|VB the|DT materials|NNS in|IN the|DT science|NN class|NN .|. 
Your|PRP$ Honor|NNP ,|, my|PRP$ understanding|NN in|IN --|: 
And|CC --|: 
Now|RB ,|, wait|VB ,|, Mr.|NN Harvey|NNP .|. 
Let|VB Mr.|NN Thompson|NNP speak|VB .|. 
One|CD at|IN a|DT time|NN .|. 
Your|PRP$ Honor|NNP ,|, my|PRP$ memory|NN ,|, if|IN it|PRP serves|VBZ me|PRP correct|JJ ,|, Mr.|NN Rehm|NNP testified|VBD that|IN they|PRP had|VBD reached|VBN a|DT compromise|NN with|IN some|DT of|IN the|DT board|NN members|NNS that|IN they|PRP were|VBD going|VBG to|TO allow|VB the|DT book|NN Of|IN Pandas|NNP and|CC People|NNS in|IN the|DT science|NN classroom|NN .|. 
My|PRP$ recollection|NN is|VBZ that|IN he|PRP may|MD not|RB have|VB used|VBN the|DT word|NN "|'' compromise|NN ,|, "|'' he|PRP may|MD have|VB used|VBN the|DT word|NN "|'' concession|NN .|. 
"|'' I|PRP 'm|VBP not|RB sure|JJ that|IN there|EX 's|VBZ a|DT distinction|NN as|IN it|PRP applies|VBZ here|RB .|. 
I|PRP 'll|MD overrule|VB the|DT objection|NN .|. 
Did|VBD you|PRP hear|VBP Mr.|NN Rehm|NNP 's|POS testimony|NN yesterday|NN ?|. 
Yes|UH .|. 
Well|RB ,|, then|RB go|VB ahead|RB .|. 
BY|NNP MR|NNP .|. THOMPSON|NNP Whether|IN it|PRP 's|VBZ "|'' concession|NN "|'' or|CC "|'' compromise|NN ,|, "|'' did|VBD you|PRP hear|VBP that|IN the|DT teachers|NNS had|VBD agreed|VBN to|TO put|VB Of|IN Pandas|NNP and|CC People|NNS in|IN the|DT science|NN classroom|NN ?|. 
I|PRP do|VBP n't|RB remember|VB exactly|RB what|WP he|PRP said|VBD yesterday|NN .|. 
No|DT further|JJ questions|NNS ,|, Your|PRP$ Honor|NNP .|. 
All|DT right|JJ .|. 
Thank|VB you|PRP ,|, Mr.|NN Thompson|NNP .|. 
Any|DT redirect|NN ?|. 
No|DT ,|, Your|PRP$ Honor|NNP .|. 
Then|RB ,|, ma'am|NN ,|, you|PRP may|MD step|VB down|RB .|. 
That|DT will|MD complete|VB your|PRP$ testimony|NN .|. 
And|CC I|PRP do|VBP n't|RB think|VB we|PRP have|VBP any|DT exhibits|NNS to|TO enter|VB ,|, do|VBP we|PRP ?|. 
That|DT 's|VBZ correct|JJ ,|, Your|PRP$ Honor|NNP .|. 
P|NN 127|CD is|VBZ already|RB in|IN evidence|NN .|. 
You|PRP may|MD call|VB your|PRP$ next|JJ witness|NN .|. 
Your|PRP$ Honor|NNP ,|, the|DT plaintiffs|NNS call|VBP to|TO the|DT stand|NN Plaintiff|NNP Christy|NNP Rehm|NNP .|. 
CHRISTY|NNP REHM|NNP ,|, called|VBN as|IN a|DT witness|NN ,|, having|VBG been|VBN duly|RB sworn|VBN or|CC affirmed|VBD ,|, testified|VBD as|IN follows|VBZ :|: 
Your|PRP$ Honor|NNP ,|, again|RB ,|, may|MD I|PRP make|VB sure|JJ that|IN she|PRP has|VBZ the|DT binder|NN of|IN exhibits|NNS ?|. 
You|PRP certainly|RB may|MD .|. 
DIRECT|NNP EXAMINATION|NNP BY|NNP MR|NNP .|. HARVEY|NNP Please|VB tell|VB us|PRP your|PRP$ name|NN .|. 
Christy|NNP Rehm|NNP .|. 
Are|VBP you|PRP married|VBD ,|, Mrs.|NN Rehm|NNP ?|. 
Yes|UH .|. 
Tell|VB us|PRP the|DT name|NN of|IN your|PRP$ husband|NN .|. 
Bryan|NNP Rehm|NNP .|. 
Please|VB clarify|VB for|IN us|PRP one|CD important|JJ question|NN ,|, and|CC that|DT is|VBZ ,|, exactly|RB how|WRB old|JJ are|VBP your|PRP$ children|NNS ?|. 
My|PRP$ children|NNS ?|. 
Yes|UH .|. 
I|PRP have|VBP a|DT 14|CD -|: year-old|JJ daughter|NN ,|, Alix|NNP ,|, an|DT eight-year-old|JJ daughter|NN Paige|NNP ,|, a|DT seven-year-old|JJ son|NN Ian|NNP ,|, and|CC a|DT 15|CD -|: month-old|JJ son|NN Lucas|NNP .|. 
And|CC where|WRB does|VBZ your|PRP$ family|NN live|VB ?|. 
I|PRP mean|VBP your|PRP$ immediate|JJ family|NN ,|, you|PRP and|CC your|PRP$ husband|NN and|CC your|PRP$ children|NNS .|. 
Rock|NNP Creek|NNP Drive|NNP ,|, Dover|NNP ,|, Pennsylvania|NNP .|. 
And|CC how|WRB long|JJ have|VBP you|PRP lived|VBD there|RB ?|. 
Approximately|RB five|CD years|NNS .|. 
And|CC had|VBD you|PRP lived|VBD in|IN Dover|NNP previously|RB to|TO that|DT in|IN your|PRP$ life|NN ?|. 
Yes|UH .|. 
I|PRP grew|VBD up|RB in|IN Dover|NNP ,|, I|PRP attended|VBD Dover|NNP High|NNP School|NNP ,|, graduated|VBD from|IN Dover|NNP High|NNP School|NNP .|. 
My|PRP$ family|NN ,|, my|PRP$ extended|JJ family|NN ,|, lives|NNS in|IN the|DT Dover|NNP area|NN ,|, including|VBG my|PRP$ grandparents|NNS ,|, my|PRP$ parents|NNS ,|, and|CC other|JJ relatives|NNS .|. 
My|PRP$ parents|NNS currently|RB still|RB live|VB in|IN the|DT Dover|NNP area|NN .|. 
And|CC please|VB tell|VB us|PRP where|WRB your|PRP$ children|NNS are|VBP right|RB now|RB in|IN school|NN ,|, the|DT grades|NNS ,|, please|VB .|. 
Grade|NNP level|NN ,|, okay|JJ ,|, yes|UH .|. 
The|DT oldest|JJS is|VBZ in|IN ninth|JJ grade|NN ,|, the|DT next|JJ one|CD is|VBZ in|IN the|DT third|JJ grade|NN .|. 
I|PRP have|VBP a|DT first-grader|NN ,|, and|CC then|RB obviously|RB the|DT baby|NN is|VBZ not|RB in|IN school|NN yet|RB .|. 
And|CC the|DT oldest|JJS three|CD children|NNS ,|, do|VBP they|PRP attend|VBP the|DT public|JJ schools|NNS in|IN Dover|NNP ?|. 
Yes|UH .|. 
Two|CD of|IN them|PRP ,|, my|PRP$ oldest|JJS is|VBZ at|IN the|DT high|JJ school|NN ,|, the|DT Dover|NNP High|NNP School|NNP ,|, and|CC then|RB I|PRP have|VBP --|: the|DT next|JJ one|CD is|VBZ at|IN the|DT Weiglestown|NNP Elementary|NNP School|NNP .|. 
And|CC my|PRP$ son|NN is|VBZ hearing-impaired|JJ ,|, so|IN he|PRP is|VBZ charged|VBN with|IN the|DT education|NN of|IN Dover|NNP School|NNP District|NNP ,|, meaning|VBG that|IN they|PRP have|VBP to|TO provide|VB his|PRP$ education|NN ,|, but|CC he|PRP actually|RB attends|VBZ classes|NNS at|IN a|DT hearing-impaired|JJ classroom|NN .|. 
And|CC your|PRP$ daughter|NN that|WDT 's|VBZ in|IN the|DT ninth|JJ grade|NN ,|, is|VBZ that|IN at|IN the|DT Dover|NNP High|NNP School|NNP ?|. 
Yes|UH .|. 
And|CC is|VBZ she|PRP taking|VBG biology|NN now|RB ?|. 
Yes|UH ,|, she|PRP is|VBZ .|. 
Please|VB summarize|VB for|IN us|PRP your|PRP$ educational|JJ background|NN .|. 
As|IN I|PRP said|VBD ,|, I|PRP graduated|VBD from|IN Dover|NNP High|NNP School|NNP .|. 
I|PRP attended|VBD Lock|NNP Haven|NNP University|NNP and|CC Millersville|NNP University|NNP .|. 
I|PRP received|VBD a|DT BA|NNP from|IN Millersville|NNP University|NNP in|IN English|NNP ,|, and|CC I|PRP also|RB have|VBP a|DT degree|NN in|IN journalism|NN ,|, as|RB well|RB .|. 
I|PRP later|RB got|VBD a|DT teaching|NN certification|NN and|CC attended|VBD Penn|NNP State|NNP University|NNP where|WRB I|PRP received|VBD my|PRP$ master|NN 's|POS degree|NN .|. 
Do|VBP you|PRP work|VBP outside|IN the|DT home|NN ?|. 
Yes|UH ,|, I|PRP do|VBP .|. 
What|WP do|VBP you|PRP do|VBP ?|. 
I|PRP 'm|VBP a|DT teacher|NN ,|, an|DT English|NNP teacher|NN .|. 
Where|WRB do|VBP you|PRP teach|VBP ?|. 
In|IN a|DT public|JJ school|NN system|NN outside|IN of|IN York|NNP County|NNP .|. 
And|CC what|WP grade|NN do|VBP you|PRP teach|VBP ?|. 
High-school|NNP level|NN ,|, so|RB tenth|NN through|IN twelfth|NN grade|NN generally|RB .|. 
Did|VBD there|EX come|VB a|DT time|NN when|WRB you|PRP learned|VBD that|IN the|DT Dover|NNP Area|NNP School|NNP District|NNP Board|NNP of|IN Directors|NNS was|VBD considering|VBG a|DT change|NN to|TO --|: was|VBD considering|VBG approval|NN of|IN a|DT biology|NN textbook|NN ?|. 
Yes|UH .|. 
Do|VBP you|PRP remember|VBP when|WRB that|DT was|VBD ?|. 
It|PRP was|VBD sometime|RB in|IN 2004|CD .|. 
It|PRP was|VBD prior|RB to|TO the|DT June|NNP meetings|NNS because|IN my|PRP$ husband|NN was|VBD a|DT teacher|NN at|IN the|DT school|NN ,|, so|IN I|PRP often|RB heard|VBD things|NNS that|IN he|PRP would|MD come|VB home|NN and|CC tell|VB me|PRP .|. 
So|IN I|PRP knew|VBD that|IN there|EX was|VBD some|DT discussion|NN over|IN the|DT biology|NN book|NN ,|, so|RB sometime|RB before|IN that|DT .|. 
I|PRP ca|MD n't|RB tell|VB you|PRP exactly|RB when|WRB .|. 
Did|VBD you|PRP attend|VBP a|DT meeting|NN of|IN the|DT Dover|NNP Area|NNP School|NNP District|NNP Board|NNP of|IN Directors|NNS on|IN June|NNP the|DT 7th|CD of|IN 2004|CD ?|. 
Yes|UH ,|, I|PRP did|VBD .|. 
And|CC why|WRB did|VBD you|PRP attend|VBP that|DT meeting|NN ?|. 
Well|RB ,|, because|RB ,|, like|IN I|PRP said|VBD ,|, my|PRP$ husband|NN had|VBD been|VBN a|DT teacher|NN at|IN the|DT school|NN ,|, and|CC he|PRP had|VBD sort|NN of|IN been|VBN directed|VBN by|IN the|DT high|JJ school|NN principal|JJ to|TO attend|VB the|DT meeting|NN in|IN support|NN of|IN the|DT different|JJ things|NNS that|WDT were|VBD happening|VBG .|. 
There|EX were|VBD other|JJ textbooks|NNS that|WDT were|VBD being|VBG adopted|VBN and|CC controversies|NNS over|IN them|PRP ,|, and|CC ,|, you|PRP know|VBP ,|, it|PRP was|VBD sort|NN of|IN a|DT rallying|VBG thing|NN ,|, I|PRP suppose|VBP .|. 
And|CC I|PRP went|VBD along|IN because|IN I|PRP live|VBP in|IN the|DT district|NN ,|, I|PRP pay|VBP taxes|NNS in|IN the|DT district|NN ,|, my|PRP$ children|NNS attend|VBP school|NN in|IN the|DT district|NN .|. 
I|PRP 'm|VBP an|DT educator|NN ,|, and|CC I|PRP was|VBD curious|JJ about|IN what|WP was|VBD happening|VBG .|. 
And|CC can|MD you|PRP recall|VB anything|NN that|WDT happened|VBD at|IN that|DT meeting|NN on|IN June|NNP the|DT 7th|CD ?|. 
I|PRP recall|VBP a|DT lot|NN of|IN things|NNS that|WDT were|VBD happening|VBG at|IN that|DT meeting|NN .|. 
Please|VB tell|VB us|PRP what|WP you|PRP can|MD remember|VB about|IN that|DT meeting|NN .|. 
Okay|UH .|. 
Some|DT of|IN the|DT --|: I|PRP attended|VBD a|DT lot|NN of|IN meetings|NNS ,|, so|RB facts|NNS blur|VB together|RB .|. 
What|WP I|PRP do|VBP recall|VB ,|, I|PRP --|: as|IN my|PRP$ husband|NN said|VBD yesterday|NN ,|, I|PRP was|VBD pregnant|JJ at|IN the|DT time|NN ,|, so|IN I|PRP have|VBP some|DT reason|NN to|TO remember|VB certain|JJ things|NNS .|. 
But|CC I|PRP recall|VBP Barrie|NNP Callahan|NNP speaking|VBG about|IN the|DT textbook|NN .|. 
It|PRP was|VBD the|DT first|JJ time|NN that|IN I|PRP had|VBD really|RB ever|RB been|VBN around|IN Barrie|NNP Callahan|NNP ,|, so|IN she|PRP strikes|VBZ me|PRP -|: that|IN memory|NN strikes|NNS me|PRP because|IN my|PRP$ mother|NN had|VBD known|VBN her|PRP$ previously|RB .|. 
And|CC she|PRP was|VBD speaking|VBG about|IN the|DT textbook|NN ,|, just|RB questioning|VBG them|PRP .|. 
I|PRP do|VBP n't|RB remember|VB her|PRP$ exact|JJ words|NNS .|. 
But|CC I|PRP do|VBP know|VB that|IN she|PRP was|VBD upset|VBN with|IN them|PRP about|IN this|DT textbook|NN ,|, the|DT textbook|NN process|NN ,|, the|DT students|NNS not|RB having|VBG a|DT textbook|NN .|. 
Obviously|RB it|PRP was|VBD very|RB distressing|JJ for|IN her|PRP that|IN the|DT students|NNS in|IN the|DT biology|NN class|NN did|VBD not|RB have|VB a|DT textbook|NN .|. 
Do|VBP you|PRP remember|VBP if|IN any|DT board|NN member|NN spoke|VBD back|RB to|TO her|PRP in|IN response|NN to|TO her|PRP$ questions|NNS ?|. 
Yes|UH .|. 
Bill|NNP Buckingham|NNP said|VBD to|TO her|PRP$ --|: and|CC I|PRP know|VBP Bill|NNP Buckingham|NNP because|IN at|IN the|DT time|NN he|PRP lived|VBD down|RP the|DT street|NN from|IN my|PRP$ grandparents|NNS and|CC for|IN many|JJ years|NNS lived|VBD there|RB .|. 
And|CC he|PRP responded|VBD to|TO her|PRP$ basically|RB saying|VBG that|IN there|EX 's|VBZ ,|, you|PRP know|VBP ,|, a|DT problem|NN with|IN the|DT textbook|NN ,|, it|PRP needs|VBZ to|TO be|VB balanced|JJ ,|, comments|NNS about|IN laced|VBN with|IN Darwinism|NNP ,|, it|PRP needed|VBD to|TO be|VB balanced|VBN with|IN creationism|NN .|. 
Comments|NNS of|IN that|DT nature|NN is|VBZ what|WP he|PRP had|VBD said|VBN to|TO her|PRP .|. 
Do|VBP you|PRP remember|VBP --|: 
I|PRP 'm|VBP sorry|JJ .|. 
I|PRP 'm|VBP sorry|JJ .|. 
And|CC I|PRP distinctly|RB recall|VBP Barrie|NNP Callahan|NNP sort|NN of|IN throwing|VBG her|PRP$ hands|NNS up|RB in|IN the|DT air|NN and|CC saying|VBG ,|, Oh|UH ,|, so|IN this|DT is|VBZ about|IN evolution|NN .|. 
That|DT was|VBD very|RB distinct|JJ in|IN my|PRP$ mind|NN ,|, just|RB her|PRP$ mannerisms|NNS as|IN she|PRP said|VBD that|DT .|. 
Do|VBP you|PRP recall|VBP a|DT young|JJ man|NN by|IN the|DT name|NN of|IN Max|NNP Pell|NNP speaking|VBG at|IN that|DT meeting|NN ?|. 
Unfortunately|RB I|PRP was|VBD in|IN the|DT restroom|NN at|IN the|DT time|NN that|IN Max|NNP Pell|NNP was|VBD speaking|VBG because|IN --|: my|PRP$ husband|NN told|VBD you|PRP I|PRP was|VBD eight|CD months|NNS pregnant|JJ .|. 
I|PRP was|VBD actually|RB nine|CD months|NNS pregnant|JJ and|CC due|JJ any|DT day|NN ,|, so|IN I|PRP spent|VBD quite|RB a|DT deal|NN of|IN time|NN in|IN the|DT restroom|NN .|. 
But|CC I|PRP had|VBD excused|VBN myself|PRP to|TO go|VB to|TO the|DT restroom|NN just|RB after|IN Barrie|NNP did|VBD this|DT whole|JJ thing|NN .|. 
In|IN fact|NN ,|, I|PRP may|MD have|VB been|VBN walking|VBG out|IN of|IN the|DT room|NN at|IN the|DT time|NN and|CC in|IN close|JJ proximity|NN to|TO her|PRP .|. 
And|CC so|RB at|IN the|DT time|NN when|WRB Max|NNP was|VBD speaking|VBG --|: I|PRP believe|VBP that|IN there|EX were|VBD people|NNS who|WP spoke|VBD in|IN between|IN she|PRP and|CC Max|NNP Pell|NNP .|. 
But|CC at|IN the|DT time|NN when|WRB he|PRP stood|VBD to|TO speak|VB ,|, I|PRP was|VBD in|IN the|DT restroom|NN and|CC sort|NN of|IN coming|VBG back|RB from|IN the|DT restroom|NN ,|, so|IN I|PRP do|VBP n't|RB really|RB recall|VB exactly|RB what|WP his|PRP$ comments|NNS were|VBD .|. 
I|PRP know|VBP him|PRP because|IN he|PRP was|VBD my|PRP$ husband|NN 's|POS student|NN ,|, though|RB .|. 
Do|VBP you|PRP recall|VBP any|DT other|JJ board|NN members|NNS saying|VBG anything|NN during|IN the|DT course|NN of|IN any|DT discussion|NN about|IN the|DT biology|NN textbook|NN ?|. 
Well|RB ,|, like|IN I|PRP said|VBD ,|, I|PRP was|VBD reentering|VBG the|DT room|NN from|IN the|DT bathroom|NN ,|, so|IN I|PRP was|VBD sort|NN of|IN in|IN the|DT doorway|NN .|. 
And|CC I|PRP obviously|RB did|VBD n't|RB know|VB what|WP Max|NNP had|VBD said|VBN to|TO the|DT board|NN but|CC that|IN he|PRP had|VBD spoken|VBN to|TO the|DT board|NN .|. 
So|IN the|DT comments|NNS that|WDT were|VBD coming|VBG back|RB were|VBD ,|, I|PRP assume|VBP ,|, directed|VBN at|IN him|PRP .|. 
But|CC there|EX were|VBD comments|NNS from|IN Bill|NNP Buckingham|NNP about|IN brainwashing|VBG ,|, and|CC I|PRP remember|VBP hearing|NN that|IN ,|, the|DT whole|JJ thing|NN about|IN brainwashing|VBG ,|, because|IN it|PRP dealt|VBD with|IN going|VBG to|TO college|NN and|CC getting|VBG this|DT education|NN and|CC students|NNS who|WP go|VBP to|TO college|NN become|VB brainwashed|JJ .|. 
And|CC I|PRP was|VBD very|RB upset|VBN by|IN that|DT because|IN I|PRP attended|VBD college|NN and|CC I|PRP do|VBP n't|RB feel|VB as|IN if|IN I|PRP were|VBD brainwashed|JJ .|. 
And|CC also|RB I|PRP recall|VBP Alan|NNP Bonsell|NNP making|VBG a|DT comment|NN about|RB ,|, you|PRP know|VBP ,|, there|EX are|VBP only|RB two|CD theories|NNS ,|, there|EX 's|VBZ this|DT theory|NN evolution|NN and|CC there|EX 's|VBZ this|DT theory|NN creation|NN ,|, and|CC if|IN you|PRP 're|VBP teaching|NN only|RB those|DT two|CD theories|NNS ,|, then|RB there|EX 's|VBZ not|RB a|DT problem|NN .|. 
Do|VBP you|PRP recall|VBP anything|NN else|RB Mr.|NN Bonsell|NNP said|VBD ?|. 
At|IN this|DT time|NN ,|, no|UH .|. 
Do|VBP you|PRP remember|VBP anything|NN else|RB that|WDT was|VBD said|VBN by|IN any|DT members|NNS of|IN the|DT public|NN at|IN that|DT meeting|NN ?|. 
At|IN that|DT meeting|NN .|. 
Currently|RB ,|, I|PRP do|VBP n't|RB .|. 
I|PRP 'd|MD like|VB you|PRP to|TO take|VB a|DT look|NN at|IN what|WP 's|VBZ been|VBN marked|VBN as|IN Exhibit|NN P|NN 46|CD .|. 
It|PRP 's|VBZ in|IN the|DT notebook|NN in|IN front|NN of|IN you|PRP .|. 
Just|RB take|VB a|DT moment|NN to|TO look|VB at|IN it|PRP .|. 
Okay|UH .|. 
Do|VBP you|PRP have|VB that|IN in|IN front|NN of|IN you|PRP ?|. 
Yes|UH .|. 
Have|VBP you|PRP ever|RB seen|VBN it|PRP before|RP ?|. 
This|DT article|NN ,|, yes|UH .|. 
Did|VBD you|PRP see|VBP it|PRP at|IN or|CC around|IN the|DT date|NN that|IN it|PRP was|VBD published|VBN ?|. 
Yes|UH ,|, I|PRP did|VBD .|. 
What|WP 's|VBZ the|DT date|NN on|IN it|PRP ?|. 
The|DT date|NN is|VBZ June|NNP 9th|CD ,|, 2004|CD .|. 
Who|WP is|VBZ the|DT author|NN ?|. 
The|DT author|NN is|VBZ Joseph|NNP Maldonado|NNP .|. 
And|CC can|MD you|PRP tell|VB us|PRP what|WP publication|NN its|PRP$ from|IN ?|. 
Yes|UH .|. 
It|PRP is|VBZ from|IN the|DT York|NNP Daily|NNP Record|NNP .|. 
Now|RB ,|, did|VBD you|PRP just|RB have|VBP an|DT opportunity|NN to|TO read|VB it|PRP just|RB a|DT moment|NN ago|RB ?|. 
Just|RB now|RB I|PRP skimmed|JJ it|PRP ,|, yes|UH .|. 
Take|VB another|DT moment|NN to|TO look|VB at|IN it|PRP if|IN you|PRP need|VBP to|TO ,|, but|CC I|PRP would|MD like|VB to|TO know|VB whether|IN it|PRP refreshes|NNS your|PRP$ recollection|NN about|IN anything|NN else|RB that|WDT happened|VBD at|IN that|DT meeting|NN .|. 
Yes|UH .|. 
Okay|UH .|. 
Tell|VB us|PRP what|WP else|RB --|: after|IN looking|VBG at|IN that|DT article|NN ,|, do|VBP you|PRP remember|VBP anything|NN else|RB that|WDT happened|VBD at|IN the|DT meeting|NN ?|. 
Yes|UH ,|, I|PRP do|VBP recall|VB Bill|NNP Buckingham|NNP making|VBG comments|NNS about|IN ,|, you|PRP know|VBP ,|, the|DT apes|NNS and|CC monkeys|NNS -|: coming|VBG from|IN apes|NNS and|CC monkeys|NNS .|. 
And|CC I|PRP also|RB --|: 
Your|PRP$ Honor|NNP ,|, again|RB ,|, objection|NN .|. 
It|PRP appears|VBZ she|PRP 's|VBZ going|VBG to|TO be|VB reading|NN from|IN the|DT article|NN with|IN her|PRP$ testimony|NN .|. 
I|PRP 'm|VBP sorry|JJ .|. 
It|PRP 's|VBZ a|DT little|RB hard|JJ to|TO do|VB this|DT ,|, but|CC we|PRP 'll|MD sustain|VB the|DT objection|NN .|. 
Mr.|NN Muise|NNP 's|POS objection|NN is|VBZ well-founded|JJ .|. 
Let|VB me|PRP explain|VB how|WRB we|PRP can|MD do|VB this|DT ,|, how|WRB we|PRP must|MD do|VB this|DT .|. 
When|WRB your|PRP$ counsel|NN asks|VBZ you|PRP the|DT question|NN ,|, you|PRP may|MD review|VB the|DT article|NN ,|, take|VBP a|DT look|NN at|IN it|PRP ,|, see|VB if|IN it|PRP refreshes|NNS your|PRP$ recollection|NN .|. 
It|PRP 's|VBZ important|JJ that|IN having|VBG refreshed|JJ your|PRP$ recollection|NN ,|, if|IN it|PRP jogs|VBZ something|NN or|CC re-creates|JJ a|DT memory|NN ,|, that|IN you|PRP testify|VBP in|IN answer|NN to|TO Mr.|NN Harvey|NNP 's|POS question|NN .|. 
Do|VBP not|RB look|VB back|RB and|CC read|VB from|IN the|DT article|NN as|IN you|PRP 're|VBP testifying|VBG ,|, please|VB .|. 
All|DT right|NN ?|. 
Yes|UH .|. 
Sorry|JJ .|. 
BY|NNP MR|NNP .|. HARVEY|NNP Now|RB ,|, do|VBP you|PRP remember|VBP anything|NN else|RB that|WDT happened|VBD at|IN that|DT meeting|NN ?|. 
Yes|UH .|. 
I|PRP remember|VBP comments|NNS about|IN our|PRP$ country|NN being|VBG founded|VBN on|IN Christianity|NNP and|CC not|RB needing|VBG to|TO teach|VB the|DT faiths|NNS of|IN other|JJ people|NNS .|. 
And|CC I|PRP remember|VBP talking|VBG to|TO my|PRP$ husband|NN about|IN that|DT in|IN the|DT car|NN ride|NN home|NN ,|, as|IN well|RB ,|, because|IN we|PRP 're|VBP both|DT teachers|NNS and|CC I|PRP was|VBD --|: when|WRB I|PRP hear|VBP things|NNS like|IN that|DT ,|, I|PRP immediately|RB think|VBP of|IN my|PRP$ students|NNS ,|, and|CC I|PRP was|VBD thinking|VBG about|IN the|DT diverse|JJ group|NN of|IN students|NNS that|IN I|PRP have|VBP in|IN my|PRP$ classroom|NN ,|, who|WP all|DT have|VBP different|JJ religious|JJ viewpoints|NNS ,|, and|CC how|WRB difficult|JJ that|WDT would|MD be|VB to|TO tell|VB one|CD student|NN that|IN ,|, you|PRP know|VBP ,|, we|PRP ca|MD n't|RB express|VB your|PRP$ belief|NN ,|, but|CC we|PRP can|MD express|VB that|DT person|NN 's|POS belief|NN in|IN the|DT classroom|NN .|. 
And|CC I|PRP just|RB find|VBP those|DT things|NNS to|TO be|VB very|RB upsetting|VBG when|WRB I|PRP hear|VBP things|NNS like|IN that|DT being|VBG said|VBN .|. 
Now|RB ,|, do|VBP you|PRP remember|VBP if|IN you|PRP attended|VBD another|DT meeting|NN of|IN the|DT Dover|NNP Area|NNP School|NNP District|NNP Board|NNP of|IN Directors|NNS approximately|RB a|DT week|NN later|RB on|IN June|NNP the|DT 14th|JJ ?|. 
Yes|UH ,|, I|PRP did|VBD .|. 
And|CC why|WRB did|VBD you|PRP attend|VBP that|DT meeting|NN ?|. 
Well|RB ,|, because|IN there|EX was|VBD n't|RB really|RB a|DT clear|JJ resolution|NN to|TO what|WP had|VBD occurred|VBN the|DT previous|JJ meeting|NN .|. 
In|IN addition|NN ,|, I|PRP was|VBD very|RB angry|JJ when|WRB I|PRP left|VBD the|DT June|NNP 7th|CD meeting|NN just|RB because|IN of|IN the|DT demeanor|NN of|IN the|DT school|NN board|NN and|CC the|DT things|NNS that|WDT were|VBD being|VBG said|VBN .|. 
And|CC ,|, honestly|RB ,|, I|PRP thought|VBD that|IN maybe|RB it|PRP would|MD set|VB me|PRP into|IN labor|NN because|IN of|IN ,|, you|PRP know|VBP ,|, being|VBG angry|JJ ,|, and|CC at|IN that|DT point|NN in|IN time|NN I|PRP was|VBD past|JJ my|PRP$ due|JJ date|NN ,|, in|IN addition|NN to|TO caring|VBG about|IN my|PRP$ children|NNS 's|POS education|NN and|CC everything|NN I|PRP said|VBD previously|RB .|. 
Now|RB ,|, tell|VB us|PRP what|WP you|PRP can|MD recall|NN of|IN the|DT June|NNP 14th|JJ ,|, board|NN meeting|NN .|. 
Again|RB ,|, there|EX were|VBD many|JJ ,|, many|JJ things|NNS that|WDT happened|VBD at|IN that|DT school|NN board|NN meeting|NN ,|, and|CC I|PRP can|MD tell|VB you|PRP that|IN I|PRP was|VBD very|RB much|RB interested|JJ in|IN what|WP was|VBD being|VBG said|VBN .|. 
And|CC so|IN I|PRP pretty|RB well|RB made|VBN sure|JJ ,|, at|IN the|DT beginning|NN of|IN that|DT meeting|NN ,|, which|WDT went|VBD on|IN for|IN quite|RB a|DT long|JJ time|NN ,|, that|IN I|PRP would|MD n't|RB miss|VB anything|NN ,|, so|IN I|PRP took|VBD care|NN of|IN my|PRP$ bathroom|NN needs|VBZ beforehand|RB .|. 
And|CC I|PRP recall|VBP the|DT meeting|NN starting|VBG with|IN Bill|NNP Buckingham|NNP sort|NN of|IN --|: I|PRP 'm|VBP sorry|JJ ,|, Trudy|NNP Peterman|NNP spoke|VBD about|IN her|PRP$ --|: actually|RB ,|, hold|VB on|IN .|. 
Give|VB me|PRP one|CD second|JJ to|TO think|VB about|IN this|DT .|. 
Yes|UH ,|, Trudy|NNP Peterman|NNP spoke|VBD .|. 
She|PRP was|VBD the|DT high|JJ school|NN principal|JJ at|IN the|DT time|NN .|. 
And|CC I|PRP know|VBP that|IN she|PRP spoke|VBD because|IN the|DT thing|NN that|IN she|PRP said|VBD seemed|VBN very|RB similar|JJ to|TO her|PRP$ graduation|NN speech|NN that|IN she|PRP had|VBD said|VBN just|RB previously|RB .|. 
My|PRP$ sister|NN had|VBD graduated|VBN that|DT year|NN ,|, and|CC I|PRP attended|VBD the|DT commencement|NN ceremony|NN .|. 
And|CC she|PRP had|VBD talked|VBN about|IN Visigoths|NNP and|CC things|NNS like|IN that|DT that|IN she|PRP had|VBD spoken|VBN about|IN in|IN her|PRP$ commencement|NN speech|NN .|. 
And|CC essentially|RB she|PRP was|VBD speaking|VBG up|RP for|IN the|DT teachers|NNS and|CC the|DT biology|NN textbook|NN .|. 
And|CC after|IN she|PRP had|VBD spoken|VBN ,|, Bertha|NNP Spahr|NNP also|RB spoke|VBD ,|, as|RB well|RB .|. 
She|PRP 's|VBZ the|DT department|NN chairperson|NN ,|, and|CC ,|, actually|RB ,|, I|PRP had|VBD her|PRP as|IN a|DT science|NN teacher|NN .|. 
And|CC she|PRP presented|VBD information|NN to|TO the|DT board|NN ,|, documents|NNS ,|, that|IN she|PRP and|CC I|PRP believe|VBP other|JJ members|NNS of|IN the|DT science|NN department|NN had|VBD researched|VBN on|IN ,|, I|PRP guess|VBP cases|NNS that|WDT had|VBD been|VBN set|VBN down|RB before|IN on|IN creationism|NN in|IN the|DT public|JJ school|NN system|NN or|CC something|NN of|IN that|DT nature|NN ,|, just|RB to|TO show|VB them|PRP that|IN ,|, you|PRP know|VBP ,|, if|IN they|PRP were|VBD still|RB considering|VBG this|DT idea|NN ,|, that|IN they|PRP might|MD ,|, I|PRP do|VB n't|RB know|VB ,|, be|VB met|VBN with|IN some|DT litigation|NN or|CC something|NN .|. 
After|IN she|PRP spoke|VBD ,|, Bill|NNP Buckingham|NNP had|VBD made|VBN a|DT comment|NN to|TO her|PRP about|IN her|PRP$ --|: where|WRB did|VBD she|PRP get|VBP her|PRP$ law|NN degree|NN from|IN .|. 
Can|MD you|PRP give|VB me|PRP one|CD second|JJ ?|. 
I|PRP 'm|VBP wondering|VBG if|IN I|PRP 'm|VBP getting|VBG my|PRP$ meetings|NNS mixed|VBN up|RB .|. 
Objection|NNP ,|, Your|PRP$ Honor|NNP .|. 
This|DT is|VBZ running|VBG into|IN a|DT narrative|NN .|. 
Well|RB ,|, I|PRP think|VBP it|PRP 's|VBZ still|RB responsive|JJ to|TO the|DT question|NN .|. 
Do|VBP you|PRP want|VB to|TO put|VB a|DT question|NN on|IN the|DT floor|NN ?|. 
She|PRP was|VBD just|RB thinking|VBG .|. 
BY|NNP MR|NNP .|. HARVEY|NNP Did|VBD you|PRP need|VBP to|TO think|VB and|CC change|VB your|PRP$ testimony|NN in|IN any|DT way|NN ?|. 
I|PRP just|RB wanted|VBD to|TO make|VB sure|JJ that|IN I|PRP was|VBD n't|RB getting|VBG my|PRP$ meetings|NNS mixed|VBN up|RB .|. 
You|PRP can|MD finish|VB your|PRP$ answer|NN .|. 
Do|VBP you|PRP want|VB to|TO finish|VB the|DT answer|NN ,|, or|CC is|VBZ that|IN your|PRP$ answer|NN ?|. 
Yes|UH ,|, that|DT 's|VBZ my|PRP$ answer|NN .|. 
I|PRP 'm|VBP sorry|JJ ,|, I|PRP recall|VBP something|NN else|RB ,|, as|RB well|RB .|. 
I|PRP recall|VBP Charlotte|NNP Buckingham|NNP ,|, who|WP is|VBZ Bill|NNP Buckingham|NNP 's|POS wife|NN ,|, speaking|VBG at|IN that|DT meeting|NN ,|, as|RB well|RB .|. 
Essentially|RB there|EX were|VBD a|DT lot|NN of|IN people|NNS in|IN the|DT community|NN who|WP were|VBD standing|VBG and|CC speaking|VBG at|IN this|DT meeting|NN because|IN they|PRP wanted|VBD to|TO warn|VB the|DT school|NN board|NN that|IN they|PRP were|VBD not|RB in|IN favor|NN of|IN any|DT legal|JJ action|NN coming|VBG against|IN the|DT community|NN ,|, against|IN the|DT school|NN board|NN .|. 
They|PRP were|VBD afraid|JJ for|IN their|PRP$ tax|NN dollars|NNS .|. 
And|CC Charlotte|NNP Buckingham|NNP I|PRP recall|VBP really|RB being|VBG the|DT only|JJ person|NN who|WP got|VBD up|IN to|TO stand|VB in|IN defense|NN of|IN the|DT school|NN board|NN ,|, and|CC she|PRP was|VBD Mr.|NN Buckingham|NNP 's|POS wife|NN ,|, or|CC is|VBZ Mr.|NN Buckingham|NNP 's|POS wife|NN .|. 
And|CC she|PRP quoted|VBD Scripture|NNP ,|, Old|NNP Testament|NNP ,|, actually|RB ,|, all|DT Old|NNP Testament|NNP Scripture|NNP about|IN why|WRB the|DT school|NN board|NN is|VBZ right|NN ,|, basically|RB .|. 
And|CC she|PRP also|RB talked|VBD about|IN school|NN prayer|NN and|CC the|DT need|NN for|IN school|NN prayer|NN in|IN that|DT speech|NN that|IN she|PRP had|VBD prepared|VBN .|. 
In|IN addition|NN ,|, Reverend|NNP Warren|NNP Eshbach|NNP stood|VBD up|RB and|CC spoke|VBD at|IN that|DT meeting|NN ,|, as|IN well|RB ,|, sort|NN of|IN urging|VBG the|DT school|NN board|NN not|RB to|TO proceed|VB with|IN this|DT .|. 
And|CC many|JJ other|JJ members|NNS of|IN the|DT community|NN spoke|VBD ,|, as|RB well|RB .|. 
BY|NNP MR|NNP .|. HARVEY|NNP Did|VBD your|PRP$ husband|NN speak|VB ?|. 
I|PRP recall|VBP my|PRP$ husband|NN speaking|NN .|. 
In|IN fact|NN ,|, he|PRP had|VBD n't|RB prepared|VBN to|TO speak|VB ,|, but|CC he|PRP was|VBD very|RB upset|VBN ,|, as|IN many|JJ people|NNS in|IN the|DT audience|NN were|VBD ,|, and|CC he|PRP stood|VBD up|IN to|TO speak|VB .|. 
I|PRP do|VBP n't|RB remember|VB his|PRP$ exact|JJ comments|NNS ,|, but|CC ,|, again|RB ,|, it|PRP was|VBD a|DT warning|NN to|TO the|DT school|NN board|NN and|CC -|: actually|RB ,|, not|RB necessarily|RB a|DT warning|NN ,|, but|CC just|RB sort|VB of|IN reiterating|VBG what|WP science|NN teachers|NNS do|VBP in|IN their|PRP$ science|NN classes|NNS and|CC how|WRB there|EX is|VBZ really|RB no|DT conflict|NN here|RB with|IN the|DT textbook|NN .|. 
Objection|NNP ,|, Your|PRP$ Honor|NNP .|. 
It|PRP 's|VBZ a|DT narrative|NN .|. 
The|DT question|NN was|VBD ,|, did|VBD your|PRP$ husband|NN speak|VB .|. 
Yes|UH ,|, he|PRP spoke|VBD .|. 
My|PRP$ next|JJ question|NN was|VBD going|VBG to|TO be|VB simply|RB if|IN you|PRP could|MD tell|VB us|PRP what|WP --|: but|CC I|PRP think|VBP she|PRP 's|VBZ already|RB told|VBD us|PRP what|WP she|PRP can|MD recall|VB her|PRP$ husband|NN said|VBD .|. 
Well|RB ,|, that|WDT answered|VBD the|DT next|JJ question|NN .|. 
That|DT moots|NNS the|DT objection|NN ,|, and|CC you|PRP can|MD move|VB to|TO the|DT next|JJ question|NN .|. 
BY|NNP MR|NNP .|. HARVEY|NNP Do|VBP you|PRP remember|VBP Bill|NNP Buckingham|NNP speaking|VBG at|IN this|DT meeting|NN ?|. 
Oh|UH ,|, yes|UH .|. 
There|EX were|VBD not|RB many|JJ meetings|NNS where|WRB Bill|NNP Buckingham|NNP did|VBD not|RB speak|VB .|. 
And|CC ,|, actually|RB ,|, at|IN that|DT meeting|NN --|: I|PRP believe|VBP the|DT beginning|NN of|IN the|DT meeting|NN was|VBD an|DT apology|NN ,|, actually|RB ,|, which|WDT he|PRP had|VBD prepared|VBN in|IN advance|NN apologizing|VBG to|TO the|DT members|NNS of|IN the|DT community|NN if|IN he|PRP had|VBD said|VBN anything|NN that|IN offended|JJ them|PRP .|. 
And|CC it|PRP seemed|VBD to|TO me|PRP sort|NN of|IN an|DT inappropriate|JJ apology|NN because|IN --|: or|CC maybe|RB "|'' inappropriate|JJ "|'' is|VBZ not|RB the|DT correct|JJ word|NN ,|, but|CC not|RB a|DT sincere|JJ apology|NN because|IN almost|RB immediately|RB after|IN he|PRP had|VBD given|VBN his|PRP$ apology|NN ,|, he|PRP started|VBD doing|VBG the|DT same|JJ things|NNS that|IN he|PRP had|VBD always|RB done|VBN ,|, which|WDT was|VBD to|TO demean|NN the|DT public|NN ,|, to|TO say|VB negative|JJ comments|NNS .|. 
Do|VBP you|PRP remember|VBP specifically|RB anything|NN he|PRP said|VBD ?|. 
Yes|UH .|. 
He|PRP made|VBD comments|NNS like|IN ,|, years|NNS ago|RB someone|NN died|VBD on|IN the|DT Cross|NNP ,|, ca|MD n't|RB we|PRP take|VB a|DT stand|NN for|IN Him|PRP .|. 
He|PRP made|VBD comments|NNS about|IN the|DT liberals|NNS in|IN black|JJ robes|NNS coming|VBG and|CC taking|VBG away|RB our|PRP$ freedoms|NNS in|IN the|DT school|NN .|. 
He|PRP made|VBD many|JJ ,|, many|JJ comments|NNS at|IN that|DT meeting|NN .|. 
Now|RB ,|, did|VBD you|PRP attend|VBP any|DT other|JJ meetings|NNS of|IN the|DT Dover|NNP Area|NNP School|NNP District|NNP Board|NNP of|IN Directors|NNS that|WDT summer|NN ?|. 
No|DT ,|, we|PRP did|VBD n't|RB attend|VB that|DT summer|NN .|. 
And|CC did|VBD you|PRP attend|VBP any|DT meetings|NNS that|WDT fall|NN ?|. 
Yes|UH .|. 
Did|VBD you|PRP attend|VBP the|DT meeting|NN on|IN or|CC about|IN October|NNP the|DT 18th|JJ of|IN 2004|CD ?|. 
Yes|UH ,|, we|PRP did|VBD .|. 
And|CC can|MD you|PRP just|RB tell|VBP us|PRP briefly|NN what|WP you|PRP can|MD recall|VB about|IN that|DT meeting|NN ?|. 
Well|RB ,|, there|EX was|VBD --|: at|IN this|DT point|NN in|IN time|NN it|PRP was|VBD the|DT change|NN in|IN the|DT curriculum|NN that|WDT was|VBD being|VBG proposed|VBN and|CC voted|VBN on|IN that|DT evening|NN .|. 
And|CC ,|, again|RB ,|, this|DT was|VBD a|DT heated|JJ meeting|NN .|. 
There|EX were|VBD many|JJ members|NNS of|IN the|DT community|NN who|WP stood|VBD to|TO speak|VB ,|, science|NN department|NN members|NNS .|. 
Jen|NNP Miller|NNP spoke|VBD ,|, although|IN I|PRP did|VBD n't|RB really|RB know|VB who|WP she|PRP was|VBD at|IN the|DT time|NN .|. 
I|PRP recall|VBP her|PRP$ speaking|VBG on|IN behalf|NN of|IN her|PRP$ biology|NN course|NN .|. 
I|PRP recall|VBP Bertha|NNP Spahr|NNP again|RB speaking|VBG .|. 
My|PRP$ husband|NN again|RB spoke|VBD at|IN this|DT meeting|NN .|. 
And|CC ,|, again|RB ,|, other|JJ members|NNS of|IN the|DT community|NN spoke|VBD at|IN that|DT meeting|NN .|. 
Did|VBD you|PRP and|CC your|PRP$ husband|NN stay|NN for|IN the|DT whole|JJ meeting|NN ?|. 
No|DT ,|, we|PRP did|VBD n't|RB .|. 
Now|RB ,|, during|IN the|DT time|NN that|IN you|PRP were|VBD at|IN the|DT meeting|NN ,|, did|VBD you|PRP hear|VBP any|DT discussion|NN among|IN the|DT board|NN members|NNS about|IN the|DT reasons|NNS for|IN the|DT proposed|JJ change|NN to|TO the|DT biology|NN curriculum|NN ?|. 
During|IN the|DT board|NN meeting|NN ?|. 
Yes|UH .|. 
No.|NN 
Did|VBD you|PRP attend|VBP a|DT meeting|VBG the|DT following|VBG week|NN ,|, on|IN or|CC about|IN November|NNP the|DT 2nd|CD ,|, 2004|CD ?|. 
Yes|UH .|. 
And|CC can|MD you|PRP remember|VB anything|NN from|IN that|DT meeting|NN ?|. 
Yes|UH .|. 
I|PRP recall|VBP Noel|NNP Weinrich|NNP who|WP had|VBD spoken|VBN at|IN other|JJ meetings|NNS ,|, as|IN well|RB ,|, was|VBD upset|VBN about|IN the|DT vote|NN that|IN they|PRP had|VBD taken|VBN and|CC was|VBD sort|NN of|IN urging|VBG them|PRP to|TO rethink|VB the|DT vote|NN .|. 
Do|VBP you|PRP remember|VBP anyone|NN requesting|VBG access|NN to|TO --|: 
Oh|UH ,|, yes|UH .|. 
--|: a|DT tape|NN of|IN the|DT October|NNP 18th|JJ meeting|NN ?|. 
Yes|UH .|. 
Because|IN my|PRP$ husband|NN and|CC I|PRP had|VBD left|VBN early|JJ --|: we|PRP had|VBD our|PRP$ infant|NN with|IN us|PRP and|CC he|PRP needed|VBD to|TO get|VB home|NN --|: we|PRP had|VBD heard|VBN that|IN there|EX were|VBD comments|NNS that|WDT were|VBD said|VBN after|IN we|PRP left|VBN about|IN teachers|NNS should|MD be|VB fired|VBN if|IN they|PRP do|VBP n't|RB listen|VB to|TO the|DT school|NN board|NN 's|POS directive|NN .|. 
And|CC we|PRP wanted|VBD to|TO hear|VB that|IN for|IN ourselves|PRP ,|, so|RB my|PRP$ husband|NN had|VBD previously|RB requested|VBN the|DT tapes|NNS and|CC then|RB at|IN that|DT meeting|NN he|PRP stood|VBD again|RB to|TO request|VB the|DT tapes|NNS .|. 
In|IN addition|NN ,|, Barrie|NNP Callahan|NNP had|VBD stood|VBN to|TO request|VB the|DT tapes|NNS at|IN that|DT meeting|NN ,|, as|RB well|RB .|. 
And|CC do|VBP you|PRP remember|VBP if|IN any|DT members|NNS of|IN the|DT school|NN board|NN spoke|VBD in|IN response|NN to|TO either|CC your|PRP$ husband|NN or|CC Barrie|NNP Callahan|NNP with|IN respect|NN to|TO the|DT subject|NN of|IN the|DT tapes|NNS ?|. 
Yes|UH .|. 
Barrie|NNP --|: I|PRP 'm|VBP sorry|JJ ,|, Alan|NNP Bonsell|NNP said|VBD very|RB clearly|RB that|IN --|: Dr.|NN Nilsen|NNP had|VBD said|VBN something|NN ,|, as|IN well|RB ,|, about|IN the|DT tapes|NNS ,|, that|IN it|PRP 's|VBZ not|RB policy|NN or|CC something|NN like|IN that|DT ,|, that|IN this|DT is|VBZ not|RB past|JJ practice|NN ,|, this|DT is|VBZ not|RB policy|NN ,|, this|DT is|VBZ not|RB standard|JJ policy|NN to|TO release|VB tapes|NNS to|TO the|DT public|NN .|. 
And|CC additionally|RB ,|, Alan|NNP Bonsell|NNP made|VBD the|DT comment|NN that|IN they|PRP could|MD n't|RB release|VB the|DT tapes|NNS because|IN after|IN speaking|VBG with|IN their|PRP$ solicitor|NN ,|, there|EX would|MD possibly|RB be|VB legal|JJ issues|NNS ,|, ramifications|NNS if|IN they|PRP released|VBD the|DT tapes|NNS .|. 
Now|RB ,|, I|PRP 'd|MD like|VB to|TO just|RB ask|VB you|PRP just|RB a|DT couple|NN more|JJR questions|NNS .|. 
Mrs.|NN Rehm|NNP ,|, do|VBP you|PRP believe|VBP that|IN the|DT board|NN 's|POS actions|NNS with|IN respect|NN to|TO the|DT change|NN to|TO the|DT biology|NN curriculum|NN have|VBP caused|VBN any|DT harm|NN to|TO you|PRP ?|. 
Yes|UH ,|, absolutely|RB .|. 
And|CC can|MD you|PRP please|VB tell|VB us|PRP how|WRB you|PRP have|VBP been|VBN harmed|VBN ?|. 
Well|RB ,|, in|IN numerous|JJ ways|NNS .|. 
First|LS ,|, as|IN a|DT teacher|NN ,|, professionally|RB ,|, I|PRP feel|VBP that|IN teachers|NNS in|IN general|JJ are|VBP harmed|VBN ,|, myself|PRP ,|, as|IN well|RB ,|, because|IN there|EX 's|VBZ a|DT dichotomy|NN here|RB in|IN what|WP they|PRP 're|VBP saying|VBG about|IN this|DT statement|NN that|IN they|PRP have|VBP passed|VBN on|IN intelligent|JJ design|NN as|IN they|PRP 're|VBP not|RB teaching|NN it|PRP .|. 
On|IN the|DT other|JJ hand|NN ,|, they|PRP 've|VBP said|VBN that|IN it|PRP enhances|VBZ state|NN standards|NNS and|CC critical|JJ thinking|NN .|. 
In|IN my|PRP$ mind|NN ,|, everything|NN that|IN you|PRP do|VBP in|IN a|DT classroom|NN is|VBZ teaching|VBG .|. 
And|CC I|PRP do|VBP n't|RB necessarily|RB think|VB that|DT 's|VBZ just|RB in|IN my|PRP$ mind|NN .|. 
I|PRP believe|VBP that|DT 's|VBZ true|JJ of|IN all|DT educators|NNS .|. 
The|DT way|NN I|PRP dress|VBP when|WRB I|PRP go|VBP to|TO work|VB tells|VBZ my|PRP$ students|NNS something|NN .|. 
The|DT statements|NNS I|PRP make|VBP or|CC the|DT statements|NNS that|IN I|PRP do|VBP not|RB make|VB in|IN my|PRP$ classroom|NN tell|VB my|PRP$ students|NNS something|NN .|. 
So|IN I|PRP think|VBP we|PRP 're|VBP charged|VBN with|IN ,|, you|PRP know|VBP ,|, having|VBG an|DT ethical|JJ decision|NN to|TO make|VB when|WRB we|PRP walk|VBP into|IN the|DT classroom|NN ,|, the|DT things|NNS that|IN we|PRP say|VBP and|CC the|DT things|NNS that|IN we|PRP do|VBP ,|, and|CC so|IN I|PRP think|VBP that|DT 's|VBZ very|RB important|JJ .|. 
But|CC you|PRP ca|MD n't|RB say|VB when|WRB you|PRP walk|VBP into|IN a|DT classroom|NN ,|, you|PRP 're|VBP not|RB teaching|NN .|. 
And|CC if|IN that|DT 's|VBZ what|WP 's|VBZ happening|VBG in|IN the|DT Dover|NNP school|NN system|NN and|CC my|PRP$ children|NNS are|VBP in|IN that|DT school|NN system|NN ,|, that|IN they|PRP 're|VBP routinely|RB establishing|VBG practices|NNS that|WDT is|VBZ not|RB teaching|VBG in|IN the|DT classroom|NN ,|, then|RB that|DT 's|VBZ shameful|JJ .|. 
In|IN addition|NN ,|, I|PRP have|VBP a|DT child|NN who|WP is|VBZ in|IN the|DT ninth-grade|JJ biology|NN class|NN ,|, and|CC this|DT has|VBZ spilled|VBN over|IN into|IN other|JJ classes|NNS .|. 
It|PRP 's|VBZ not|RB just|RB the|DT biology|NN class|NN that|WDT has|VBZ been|VBN affected|VBN by|IN this|DT .|. 
My|PRP$ child|NN has|VBZ heard|VBN comments|NNS from|IN other|JJ students|NNS ,|, school|NN board|NN member|NN students|NNS in|IN her|PRP$ classroom|NN about|IN evolution|NN being|VBG against|IN their|PRP$ religion|NN ,|, and|CC do|VBP you|PRP think|VBP we|PRP came|VBD from|IN monkeys|NNS ,|, how|WRB can|MD you|PRP think|VB we|PRP came|VBD from|IN monkeys|NNS .|. 
It|PRP used|VBD to|TO be|VB a|DT weekly|JJ occurrence|NN .|. 
It|PRP 's|VBZ now|RB a|DT daily|JJ occurrence|NN ,|, and|CC my|PRP$ daughter|NN comes|VBZ home|NN from|IN school|NN upset|VBN about|IN these|DT comments|NNS that|WDT are|VBP being|VBG made|VBN to|TO her|PRP$ and|CC ,|, you|PRP know|VBP ,|, is|VBZ looking|VBG for|IN guidance|NN on|IN how|WRB to|TO respond|VB to|TO these|DT questions|NNS .|. 
Also|RB ,|, intelligent|JJ design|NN is|VBZ not|RB a|DT scientific|JJ concept|NN .|. 
It|PRP 's|VBZ a|DT religious|JJ concept|NN .|. 
And|CC because|IN I|PRP do|VBP n't|RB subscribe|VB to|TO that|DT particular|JJ brand|NN of|IN religion|NN ,|, I|PRP feel|VBP that|IN I|PRP and|CC my|PRP$ daughter|NN ,|, my|PRP$ family|NN ,|, are|VBP being|VBG ridiculed|VBN ,|, and|CC my|PRP$ daughter|NN feels|VBZ the|DT pressure|NN .|. 
I|PRP reserve|VBP the|DT right|NN to|TO teach|VB my|PRP$ child|NN about|IN religion|NN .|. 
And|CC I|PRP have|VBP faith|NN in|IN myself|PRP and|CC in|IN my|PRP$ husband|NN and|CC in|IN my|PRP$ pastor|NN to|TO do|VB that|DT ,|, not|RB the|DT school|NN system|NN .|. 
Thank|VB you|PRP .|. 
No|DT further|JJ questions|NNS .|. 
All|DT right|JJ .|. 
Before|IN we|PRP start|VBP the|DT cross-examination|JJ ,|, I|PRP think|VBP this|DT will|MD be|VB an|DT appropriate|JJ time|NN for|IN our|PRP$ afternoon|NN break|NN .|. 
We|PRP 'll|MD take|VB that|WDT break|VB for|IN approximately|RB 20|CD minutes|NNS ,|, no|RB longer|RB than|IN that|DT ,|, and|CC we|PRP will|MD return|VB with|IN Mr.|NN Muise|NNP 's|POS cross-examination|JJ of|IN the|DT witness|NN .|. 
We|PRP 'll|MD be|VB in|IN recess|NN .|. 
(|( Recess|NN taken|VBN .|. 
)|) Mr.|NN Muise|NNP ,|, you|PRP may|MD cross-examine|JJ .|. 
Thank|VB you|PRP ,|, Your|PRP$ Honor|NNP .|. 
CROSS-EXAMINATION|NNP BY|NNP MR|NNP .|. MUISE|NNP Good|JJ afternoon|NN ,|, Ms.|NN Rehm|NNP .|. 
Your|PRP$ oldest|JJS child|NN is|VBZ 14|CD years|NNS old|JJ .|. 
Is|VBZ that|DT correct|JJ ?|. 
Yes|UH .|. 
And|CC your|PRP$ child|NN 's|POS name|NN is|VBZ Alix|NNP ?|. 
Yes|UH .|. 
And|CC Alix|NNP is|VBZ presently|RB in|IN the|DT ninth-grade|JJ biology|NN class|NN at|IN Dover|NNP High|NNP School|NNP ?|. 
Yes|UH ,|, she|PRP is|VBZ .|. 
And|CC my|PRP$ understanding|NN from|IN your|PRP$ husband|NN 's|POS testimony|NN yesterday|NN is|VBZ that|IN she|PRP has|VBZ n't|RB yet|RB reached|VBD the|DT section|NN in|IN biology|NN that|IN deals|NNS with|IN evolution|NN .|. 
Is|VBZ that|DT correct|JJ ?|. 
Yes|UH .|. 
After|IN looking|VBG at|IN her|PRP$ syllabus|JJ ,|, it|PRP appears|VBZ that|DT evolution|NN comes|VBZ later|RB in|IN the|DT course|NN .|. 
I|PRP would|MD n't|RB say|VB at|IN the|DT end|NN ,|, but|CC closer|JJR to|TO the|DT end|NN of|IN the|DT course|NN .|. 
And|CC so|IN she|PRP has|VBZ n't|RB heard|VBN this|DT one-minute|JJ statement|NN be|VB read|VBN in|IN the|DT class|NN yet|RB ?|. 
She|PRP has|VBZ not|RB ,|, no|UH .|. 
Now|RB ,|, you|PRP testified|VBD about|IN two|CD --|: or|CC several|JJ meetings|NNS ,|, but|CC two|CD meetings|NNS in|IN particular|JJ I|PRP want|VBP to|TO ask|VB you|PRP some|DT questions|NNS about|IN .|. 
And|CC those|DT are|VBP the|DT meetings|NNS that|WDT occurred|VBD on|IN June|NNP 7th|CD of|IN 2004|CD and|CC then|RB the|DT meeting|NN on|IN June|NNP 14th|JJ of|IN 2004|CD .|. 
Okay|UH ?|. 
Yes|UH .|. 
I|PRP believe|VBP you|PRP described|VBD these|DT meetings|NNS as|IN involving|VBG some|DT heated|JJ exchanges|NNS between|IN some|DT board|NN members|NNS and|CC the|DT public|NN .|. 
Is|VBZ that|DT correct|JJ ?|. 
Yes|UH .|. 
And|CC it|PRP 's|VBZ my|PRP$ sense|NN from|IN your|PRP$ testimony|NN that|IN the|DT majority|NN of|IN the|DT statements|NNS that|IN you|PRP appear|VBP to|TO find|VB objectionable|JJ were|JJ statements|NNS made|VBN by|IN Mr.|NN Buckingham|NNP ?|. 
No.|NN 
There|EX were|VBD statements|NNS made|VBN by|IN many|JJ of|IN the|DT school|NN board|NN members|NNS that|IN I|PRP found|VBD objectionable|JJ .|. 
It|PRP 's|VBZ just|RB that|IN Mr.|NN Buckingham|NNP always|RB seemed|VBD to|TO say|VB very|RB inappropriate|JJ things|NNS .|. 
But|CC in|IN addition|NN ,|, Alan|NNP Bonsell|NNP said|VBD very|RB inappropriate|JJ things|NNS ,|, and|CC Noel|NNP Weinrich|NNP said|VBD very|RB inappropriate|JJ things|NNS .|. 
It|PRP 's|VBZ just|RB that|IN I|PRP did|VBD n't|RB give|VB much|JJ credit|NN to|TO Noel|NNP Weinrich|NNP 's|POS comments|NNS because|IN he|PRP would|MD say|VB things|NNS like|IN ,|, Darwin|NNP 's|POS at|IN least|JJS what|WP ,|, 60|CD years|NNS old|JJ ,|, a|DT theory|NN becomes|VBZ a|DT theory|NN if|IN you|PRP say|VBP it|PRP over|RB and|CC over|IN again|RB .|. 
Those|DT are|VBP the|DT kind|NN of|IN things|NNS he|PRP would|MD say|VB .|. 
But|CC they|PRP were|VBD all|DT very|RB outspoken|JJ .|. 
Now|RB ,|, the|DT controversy|NN on|IN the|DT June|NNP 7th|CD and|CC June|NNP 14th|JJ meeting|NN was|VBD surrounding|VBG the|DT selection|NN of|IN a|DT biology|NN textbook|NN .|. 
Correct|NNP ?|. 
June|NNP 7th|CD and|CC June|NNP 14th|JJ ?|. 
Yes|UH .|. 
Yes|UH .|. 
And|CC the|DT biology|NN textbook|NN that|WDT was|VBD in|IN question|NN at|IN the|DT time|NN ,|, I|PRP believe|VBP it|PRP was|VBD the|DT version|NN of|IN the|DT Miller-|NNP Levine|NNP biology|NN book|NN .|. 
Is|VBZ that|IN your|PRP$ understanding|NN ?|. 
It|PRP very|RB well|RB could|MD be|VB .|. 
I|PRP 'm|VBP not|RB sure|JJ what|WP the|DT edition|NN in|IN debate|NN was|VBD .|. 
But|CC the|DT statements|NNS that|IN you|PRP testified|VBD to|TO and|CC the|DT controversy|NN that|IN you|PRP were|VBD describing|VBG was|VBD surrounding|VBG the|DT purchase|NN or|CC selection|NN of|IN that|DT particular|JJ biology|NN book|NN for|IN the|DT school|NN district|NN .|. 
Correct|NNP ?|. 
Yes|UH ,|, it|PRP was|VBD definitely|RB the|DT Miller-|NNP Levine|NNP textbook|NN .|. 
I|PRP do|VBP n't|RB know|VB what|WP the|DT edition|NN was|VBD or|CC the|DT copyright|NN date|NN or|CC any|DT of|IN that|DT information|NN ,|, but|CC I|PRP do|VBP know|VB that|IN it|PRP was|VBD that|DT biology|NN textbook|NN that|WDT was|VBD being|VBG debated|VBN very|RB rigorously|RB .|. 
And|CC ,|, in|IN fact|NN ,|, the|DT school|NN district|NN purchased|VBD the|DT Miller-|NNP Levine|NNP biology|NN book|NN to|TO be|VB used|VBN as|IN the|DT primary|JJ text|NN for|IN the|DT ninth-grade|JJ biology|NN class|NN .|. 
Correct|NNP ?|. 
Yes|UH .|. 
And|CC that|DT would|MD be|VB the|DT textbook|NN that|IN your|PRP$ daughter|NN Alix|NNP will|MD be|VB using|VBG ?|. 
Yes|UH ,|, with|IN the|DT dragonfly|RB on|IN it|PRP .|. 
She|PRP already|RB has|VBZ the|DT book|NN ?|. 
She|PRP has|VBZ the|DT book|NN ,|, yes|UH .|. 
Have|VBP you|PRP looked|VBD through|IN it|PRP ?|. 
Have|VBP I|PRP looked|VBD through|IN the|DT book|NN ?|. 
Yes|UH ,|, I|PRP have|VBP looked|VBN through|IN the|DT book|NN .|. 
Do|VBP you|PRP have|VB any|DT objections|NNS with|IN the|DT book|NN ?|. 
No|DT ,|, I|PRP do|VBP n't|RB .|. 
She|PRP was|VBD n't|RB given|VBN a|DT copy|NN of|IN Pandas|NNP and|CC People|NNS ,|, was|VBD she|PRP ?|. 
No|DT ,|, she|PRP was|VBD not|RB .|. 
So|IN the|DT only|RB required|VBN textbook|NN for|IN that|DT class|NN was|VBD that|DT biology|NN book|NN that|WDT was|VBD creating|VBG all|PDT the|DT controversy|NN on|IN June|NNP 7th|CD and|CC June|NNP 14th|JJ .|. 
Is|VBZ that|DT correct|JJ ?|. 
To|TO my|PRP$ knowledge|NN ,|, the|DT only|RB required|VBN book|NN is|VBZ that|DT book|NN ,|, in|IN addition|NN to|TO supplemental|JJ materials|NNS that|IN the|DT instructor|NN has|VBZ .|. 
Now|RB ,|, you|PRP made|VBD a|DT comment|NN in|IN your|PRP$ direct|JJ testimony|NN that|IN intelligent|JJ design|NN conflicts|NNS with|IN your|PRP$ brand|NN of|IN religion|NN .|. 
Yes|UH .|. 
Is|VBZ intelligent|JJ design|NN another|DT brand|NN of|IN religion|NN ?|. 
No.|NN 
What|WP I|PRP 'm|VBP saying|VBG is|VBZ that|IN I|PRP believe|VBP intelligent|JJ design|NN ,|, as|RB well|RB as|IN the|DT ideas|NNS of|IN creationism|NN ,|, in|IN particular|JJ ,|, the|DT Young|NNP Earth|NNP creationists|NNS ,|, which|WDT ,|, I|PRP 'm|VBP sorry|JJ ,|, I|PRP do|VBP n't|RB agree|VB with|IN .|. 
do|VBP n't|RB agree|VB with|IN the|DT age|NN of|IN ,|, you|PRP know|VBP ,|, the|DT earth|NN and|CC their|PRP$ opinion|NN .|. 
There|EX are|VBP things|NNS that|IN I|PRP do|VBP not|RB believe|VB .|. 
And|CC I|PRP do|VBP not|RB believe|VB the|DT same|JJ things|NNS as|IN the|DT board|NN members|NNS who|WP adopted|VBD that|DT statement|NN .|. 
And|CC so|RB your|PRP$ understanding|NN is|VBZ intelligent|JJ design|NN is|VBZ the|DT same|JJ as|IN Young|NNP Earth|NNP creationism|NN ?|. 
Well|RB ,|, to|TO my|PRP$ understanding|NN ,|, intelligent|JJ design|NN just|RB presupposes|NNS that|WDT everything|NN in|IN life|NN is|VBZ too|RB complex|JJ ,|, that|IN it|PRP has|VBZ to|TO be|VB designed|VBN .|. 
But|CC I|PRP also|RB know|VBP that|DT creationism|NN was|VBD used|VBN repeatedly|RB with|IN the|DT term|NN -|: or|CC ,|, I|PRP 'm|VBP sorry|JJ ,|, not|RB with|IN the|DT term|NN "|'' intelligent|JJ design|NN .|. "|'' 
Intelligent|NNP design|NN came|VBD up|RB after|IN the|DT fact|NN .|. 
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And|CC when|WRB I|PRP think|VBP of|IN creationists|NNS ,|, again|RB ,|, I|PRP think|VBP of|IN Young|NNP Earth|NNP creationists|NNS ,|, and|CC I|PRP do|VBP not|RB subscribe|VB to|TO that|DT way|NN of|IN thinking|VBG .|. 
And|CC so|RB ,|, again|RB ,|, you|PRP 're|VBP associating|VBG Young|NNP Earth|NNP creationism|NN with|IN intelligent|JJ design|NN ?|. 
There|EX is|VBZ a|DT connection|NN in|IN my|PRP$ mind|NN ,|, yes|UH .|. 
If|IN you|PRP could|MD be|VB shown|VBN that|IN intelligent|JJ design|NN does|VBZ not|RB require|VB the|DT action|NN of|IN a|DT supernatural|NN creator|NN and|CC ,|, in|IN fact|NN ,|, is|VBZ based|VBN on|IN observable|JJ and|CC empirical|JJ facts|NNS ,|, would|MD you|PRP change|VBP your|PRP$ opinion|NN ?|. 
I|PRP believe|VBP that|IN if|IN intelligent|JJ design|NN could|MD be|VB proved|VBN to|TO be|VB scientific|JJ ,|, then|RB I|PRP would|MD believe|VB it|PRP would|MD belong|VB in|IN a|DT science|NN classroom|NN .|. 
Would|MD I|PRP believe|VB it|PRP ?|. 
I|PRP do|VBP n't|RB know|VB that|IN scientifically|RB I|PRP 'm|VBP qualified|VBN to|TO say|VB ,|, you|PRP know|VBP ,|, that|IN I|PRP believe|VBP many|JJ scientific|JJ concepts|NNS because|IN I|PRP 'm|VBP --|: I|PRP 'm|VBP not|RB a|DT scientist|NN .|. 
But|CC I|PRP suppose|VBP that|IN if|IN intelligent|JJ design|NN could|MD follow|VB scientific|JJ methods|NNS ,|, then|RB --|: and|CC it|PRP were|VBD proven|VBN to|TO be|VB scientific|JJ by|IN scientists|NNS ,|, it|PRP was|VBD accepted|VBN by|IN scientific|JJ communities|NNS ,|, then|RB I|PRP would|MD have|VB no|DT reason|NN not|RB to|TO accept|VB that|DT .|. 
I|PRP want|VBP to|TO explore|VB your|PRP$ understanding|NN of|IN what|WP has|VBZ actually|RB taken|VBN place|NN in|IN this|DT ninth-grade|JJ biology|NN class|NN that|IN your|PRP$ daughter|NN Alix|NNP is|VBZ presently|RB taking|VBG .|. 
Is|VBZ it|PRP your|PRP$ understanding|NN that|IN Darwin|NNP 's|POS theory|NN of|IN evolution|NN will|MD be|VB taught|VBN in|IN this|DT class|NN pursuant|JJ to|TO the|DT Pennsylvania|NNP academic|JJ standards|NNS ?|. 
I|PRP would|MD hope|VB so|RB .|. 
And|CC as|RB far|RB as|IN I|PRP know|VBP ,|, that|WDT is|VBZ the|DT case|NN ,|, because|IN Dover|NNP says|VBZ that|IN it|PRP is|VBZ a|DT standards-based|JJ school|NN ,|, and|CC so|IN I|PRP assume|VBP that|IN when|WRB they|PRP say|VBP that|IN and|CC they|PRP say|VBP that|IN students|NNS have|VBP to|TO pass|VB certain|JJ material|NN before|IN they|PRP can|MD be|VB advanced|VBN into|IN new|JJ material|NN ,|, that|IN they|PRP would|MD have|VB to|TO be|VB abiding|VBG by|IN the|DT state|NN standards|NNS .|. 
And|CC I|PRP take|VBP it|PRP from|IN your|PRP$ answer|NN you|PRP have|VBP no|DT objection|NN to|TO that|DT ?|. 
To|TO following|VBG state|NN standards|NNS ,|, no|DT ,|, I|PRP have|VBP no|DT objection|NN .|. 
And|CC so|IN it|PRP 's|VBZ your|PRP$ understanding|NN that|IN the|DT Pennsylvania|NNP state|NN standards|NNS require|VBP students|NNS to|TO learn|VB about|IN Darwin|NNP 's|POS theory|NN of|IN evolution|NN and|CC eventually|RB take|VB a|DT standardized|JJ test|NN of|IN which|WDT that|DT theory|NN is|VBZ a|DT part|NN of|IN it|PRP ?|. 
Yes|UH ,|, the|DT PSSA|NNP test|NN ,|, yes|UH .|. 
And|CC you|PRP have|VBP no|DT objection|NN to|TO that|DT ?|. 
To|TO my|PRP$ students|NNS taking|VBG a|DT PSSA|NNP test|NN ,|, well|RB ,|, you|PRP know|VBP ,|, I|PRP --|: being|VBG an|DT educator|NN ,|, I|PRP 'm|VBP not|RB in|IN love|NN with|IN PSSA|NNP tests|NNS or|CC standardized|JJ tests|NNS .|. 
But|CC if|IN you|PRP 're|VBP asking|VBG me|PRP if|IN I|PRP object|VBP to|TO my|PRP$ daughter|NN taking|VBG a|DT standardized|JJ test|NN with|IN that|DT information|NN on|IN it|PRP ,|, of|IN course|NN not|RB .|. 
I|PRP would|MD hope|VB that|IN they|PRP would|MD provide|VB lots|NNS of|IN academic|JJ information|NN on|IN those|DT tests|NNS .|. 
And|CC is|VBZ it|PRP your|PRP$ understanding|NN that|IN because|IN Dover|NNP is|VBZ a|DT standards-driven|JJ district|NN ,|, that|IN they|PRP 're|VBP going|VBG to|TO focus|VB their|PRP$ class|NN time|NN on|IN preparing|VBG students|NNS to|TO achieve|VB proficiency|NN on|IN those|DT standard-based|JJ assessments|NNS ?|. 
I|PRP 'm|VBP sorry|JJ ,|, can|MD you|PRP repeat|VB that|DT ?|. 
Yes|UH .|. 
Is|VBZ it|PRP your|PRP$ understanding|NN that|IN because|IN Dover|NNP is|VBZ a|DT standard-based|JJ district|NN ,|, the|DT class|NN instruction|NN is|VBZ going|VBG to|TO focus|VB on|IN preparing|VBG students|NNS to|TO achieve|VB proficiency|NN on|IN those|DT standard-based|JJ tests|NNS that|IN we|PRP were|VBD just|RB describing|VBG ?|. 
Not|RB only|RB is|VBZ that|IN my|PRP$ understanding|NN ,|, but|CC that|DT is|VBZ what|WP I|PRP would|MD expect|VB .|. 
And|CC you|PRP have|VBP no|DT objection|NN to|TO that|DT ?|. 
No|DT ,|, I|PRP do|VBP n't|RB .|. 
Is|VBZ it|PRP your|PRP$ understanding|NN that|IN because|IN Dover|NNP is|VBZ a|DT standards-driven|JJ district|NN ,|, that|IN students|NNS will|MD not|RB be|VB tested|VBN on|IN the|DT intelligent|JJ design|NN theory|NN ?|. 
As|IN I|PRP know|VBP it|PRP and|CC as|IN it|PRP is|VBZ written|VBN ,|, there|EX is|VBZ no|DT test|NN on|IN intelligent|JJ design|NN .|. 
And|CC from|IN your|PRP$ previous|JJ answer|NN ,|, I|PRP believe|VBP you|PRP do|VBP understand|VB that|IN the|DT Dover|NNP School|NNP District|NNP purchased|VBD ,|, for|IN its|PRP$ ninth-grade|JJ biology|NN class|NN ,|, the|DT edition|NN of|IN the|DT Miller|NNP and|CC Levine|NNP biology|NN book|NN .|. 
Correct|NNP ?|. 
Yes|UH .|. 
And|CC you|PRP have|VBP no|DT objection|NN to|TO that|DT book|NN being|VBG used|VBN in|IN the|DT class|NN ?|. 
No|DT ,|, I|PRP do|VBP not|RB .|. 
Is|VBZ it|PRP your|PRP$ understanding|NN that|IN this|DT biology|NN book|NN provides|VBZ thorough|JJ coverage|NN of|IN Darwin|NNP 's|POS theory|NN of|IN evolution|NN ?|. 
Actually|RB ,|, did|VBD you|PRP ask|VBP me|PRP if|IN it|PRP 's|VBZ my|PRP$ understanding|NN or|CC if|IN --|: 
If|IN it|PRP 's|VBZ your|PRP$ understanding|NN .|. 
I|PRP mean|VBP ,|, you|PRP have|VBP to|TO testify|VB about|IN your|PRP$ knowledge|NN ,|, ma'am|NN .|. 
Okay|UH .|. 
What|WP I|PRP 've|VBP seen|VBN of|IN actually|RB Darwin|NNP in|IN the|DT textbook|NN ,|, in|IN my|PRP$ opinion|NN ,|, is|VBZ actually|RB quite|RB slim|JJ .|. 
It|PRP follows|VBZ state|NN standards|NNS ,|, of|IN course|NN .|. 
And|CC ,|, actually|RB ,|, to|TO me|PRP ,|, it|PRP gives|VBZ more|JJR of|IN a|DT historical|JJ context|NN of|IN Darwin|NNP than|IN anything|NN as|RB far|RB as|IN what|WP I|PRP have|VBP read|VBN .|. 
And|CC I|PRP did|VBD look|VB at|IN that|DT section|NN ,|, and|CC I|PRP looked|VBD basically|RB through|IN the|DT book|NN .|. 
And|CC it|PRP appears|VBZ to|TO be|VB historical|JJ mainly|RB in|IN context|NN of|IN Darwin|NNP 's|POS time|NN frame|NN and|CC what|WP he|PRP did|VBD for|IN science|NN .|. 
Has|VBZ Dr.|NN Miller|NNP left|VBD the|DT courtroom|NN ?|. 
Maybe|RB we|PRP should|MD ask|VB .|. 
So|RB if|IN you|PRP 're|VBP asking|VBG me|PRP if|IN I|PRP feel|VBP it|PRP 's|VBZ enough|RB or|CC if|IN it|PRP 's|VBZ --|: I|PRP 'm|VBP not|RB sure|JJ what|WP it|PRP is|VBZ you|PRP 're|VBP asking|VBG me|PRP about|IN that|DT .|. 
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Yes|UH .|. 
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You|PRP have|VBP no|DT objection|NN to|TO Pandas|NNP being|VBG in|IN the|DT library|NN ?|. 
No|DT ,|, absolutely|RB not|RB .|. 
I|PRP do|VBP n't|RB object|VB to|TO Pandas|NNP being|VBG in|IN the|DT library|NN ,|, just|RB like|IN I|PRP do|VBP n't|RB object|VB to|TO ,|, you|PRP know|VBP ,|, any|DT of|IN the|DT other|JJ books|NNS being|VBG in|IN the|DT library|NN ,|, as|RB long|RB as|IN --|: as|RB long|RB as|IN it|PRP 's|VBZ the|DT appropriate|JJ level|NN and|CC --|: you|PRP know|VBP ,|, I|PRP mean|VBP ,|, there|EX is|VBZ a|DT censorship|NN process|NN that|WDT goes|VBZ into|IN putting|VBG books|NNS in|IN the|DT library|NN .|. 
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Are|VBP you|PRP aware|JJ of|IN that|DT ?|. 
Can|MD you|PRP say|VB that|DT again|RB ?|. 
I|PRP 'm|VBP sorry|JJ ,|, I|PRP was|VBD n't|RB that|DT precise|JJ .|. 
The|DT original|JJ statement|NN that|WDT was|VBD drafted|VBN by|IN the|DT Dover|NNP School|NNP District|NNP was|VBD modified|VBN in|IN June|NNP of|IN 2005|CD .|. 
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Well|RB ,|, I|PRP 'm|VBP aware|JJ that|IN that|DT statement|NN was|VBD modified|VBN several|JJ times|NNS .|. 
In|IN fact|NN ,|, there|EX were|VBD different|JJ drafts|NNS of|IN that|DT statement|NN that|IN I|PRP had|VBD seen|VBN .|. 
The|DT exact|JJ modification|NN ,|, are|VBP you|PRP telling|VBG me|PRP that|IN from|IN the|DT time|NN that|IN they|PRP had|VBD approved|VBN it|PRP in|IN October|NNP ,|, it|PRP was|VBD modified|VBN before|IN it|PRP was|VBD read|VBN in|IN January|NNP ?|. 
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Yes|UH ,|, I|PRP am|VBP aware|JJ that|IN there|EX was|VBD a|DT change|NN .|. 
Are|VBP you|PRP aware|JJ of|IN that|DT change|NN ?|. 
Yes|UH .|. 
Is|VBZ it|PRP your|PRP$ understanding|NN that|IN some|DT of|IN these|DT additional|JJ books|NNS that|WDT were|VBD put|VBN in|IN the|DT library|NN are|VBP actually|RB critical|JJ of|IN intelligent|JJ design|NN ?|. 
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They|PRP 're|VBP in|IN the|DT library|NN ?|. 
Well|RB ,|, a|DT parent|NN --|: the|DT books|NNS that|WDT are|VBP critical|JJ to|TO --|: 
Yes|UH .|. 
I|PRP 'm|VBP assuming|VBG that|IN they|PRP had|VBD gotten|VBN there|RB .|. 
You|PRP never|RB checked|VBD ?|. 
There|EX were|VBD a|DT couple|NN instances|NNS where|WRB friends|NNS of|IN mine|NN had|VBD tried|VBN to|TO check|VB on|IN the|DT status|NN of|IN the|DT books|NNS in|IN the|DT library|NN but|CC were|VBD not|RB permitted|VBN to|TO go|VB in|IN at|IN that|DT time|NN .|. 
So|IN I|PRP am|VBP only|RB assuming|VBG that|IN those|DT books|NNS are|VBP there|RB now|RB because|IN I|PRP am|VBP being|VBG told|VBN that|IN they|PRP are|VBP .|. 
But|CC as|IN for|IN myself|PRP walking|VBG into|IN a|DT library|NN and|CC seeing|VBG them|PRP there|RB ,|, I|PRP did|VBD not|RB .|. 
Do|VBP you|PRP have|VB any|DT objection|NN to|TO these|DT additional|JJ books|NNS being|VBG placed|VBN in|IN the|DT library|NN ?|. 
No|DT ,|, I|PRP do|VBP not|RB .|. 
No|DT further|JJ questions|NNS ,|, Your|PRP$ Honor|NNP .|. 
Any|DT redirect|NN ?|. 
No|DT ,|, Your|PRP$ Honor|NNP .|. 
Ma'am|NNP ,|, you|PRP may|MD step|VB down|RB .|. 
That|DT will|MD complete|VB your|PRP$ testimony|NN ,|, and|CC you|PRP may|MD call|VB your|PRP$ next|JJ witness|NN .|. 
Your|PRP$ Honor|NNP ,|, plaintiffs|NNS call|VBP to|TO the|DT stand|NN Plaintiff|NNP Beth|NNP Eveland|NNP .|. 
BETH|NNP EVELAND|NNP ,|, called|VBN as|IN a|DT witness|NN ,|, having|VBG been|VBN duly|RB sworn|VBN or|CC affirmed|VBD ,|, testified|VBD as|IN follows|VBZ :|: 
State|NNP your|PRP$ name|NN and|CC spell|VB your|PRP$ name|NN for|IN the|DT record|NN .|. 
Sure|RB .|. 
My|PRP$ name|NN is|VBZ Beth|NNP Eveland|NNP ,|, B-|NNP e-t-h|JJ ,|, E-|NNP v-e-l-a-n-d|JJ .|. 
DIRECT|NNP EXAMINATION|NNP BY|NNP MR|NNP .|. HARVEY|NNP "|'' Please|VB state|NN your|PRP$ name|NN .|. 
Beth|NNP Eveland|NNP .|. 
And|CC where|WRB do|VBP you|PRP live|VBP ,|, Ms.|NN --|: is|VBZ it|PRP Ms.|NN or|CC Mrs.|NN ?|. 
Mrs.|NN 
Mrs.|NN Eveland|NNP .|. 
Colonial|NNP Road|NNP ,|, Dover|NNP ,|, Pennsylvania|NNP .|. 
And|CC how|WRB long|JJ have|VBP you|PRP lived|VBD there|RB ?|. 
I|PRP 've|VBP lived|VBN there|EX approximately|RB eight|CD years|NNS now|RB .|. 
Are|VBP you|PRP married|VBD ?|. 
Yes|UH ,|, I|PRP am|VBP .|. 
Do|VBP you|PRP have|VB children|NNS ?|. 
Yes|UH ,|, I|PRP do|VBP .|. 
How|WRB many|JJ children|NNS do|VBP you|PRP have|VBP ?|. 
Two|CD .|. 
And|CC how|WRB old|JJ are|VBP they|PRP ?|. 
I|PRP have|VBP a|DT seven-year-old|JJ daughter|NN and|CC a|DT five-year-old|JJ daughter|NN .|. 
And|CC what|WP schools|NNS do|VBP they|PRP attend|VBP ?|. 
They|PRP attend|VBP the|DT Leib|NNP Elementary|NNP School|NNP in|IN the|DT Dover|NNP School|NNP District|NNP .|. 
And|CC do|VBP you|PRP have|VBP plans|NNS for|IN your|PRP$ children|NNS to|TO continue|VB to|TO attend|VB public|JJ schools|NNS in|IN Dover|NNP ?|. 
Yes|UH ,|, I|PRP do|VBP .|. 
And|CC what|WP are|VBP those|DT plans|NNS ?|. 
To|TO continue|VB keeping|VBG them|PRP ,|, you|PRP know|VBP ,|, going|VBG through|IN the|DT Dover|NNP School|NNP District|NNP .|. 
And|CC do|VBP you|PRP work|VBP outside|IN the|DT home|NN ?|. 
Yes|UH ,|, I|PRP do|VBP .|. 
And|CC please|VB tell|VB us|PRP what|WP you|PRP do|VBP .|. 
I|PRP am|VBP a|DT legal|JJ assistant|NN .|. 
Now|RB ,|, did|VBD there|EX come|VB a|DT time|NN when|WRB you|PRP learned|VBD that|IN the|DT Dover|NNP Area|NNP School|NNP District|NNP Board|NNP of|IN Directors|NNS was|VBD discussing|VBG or|CC considering|VBG approval|NN of|IN a|DT biology|NN textbook|NN ?|. 
Yes|UH .|. 
And|CC when|WRB was|VBD that|DT ?|. 
It|PRP was|VBD approximately|RB June|NNP ,|, 2004|CD .|. 
And|CC do|VBP you|PRP remember|VBP how|WRB you|PRP learned|VBD that|DT ?|. 
I|PRP had|VBD read|VBN an|DT article|NN in|IN the|DT York|NNP Daily|NNP Record|NNP .|. 
Now|RB ,|, I|PRP 'd|MD like|VB you|PRP to|TO look|VB at|IN what|WP 's|VBZ been|VBN marked|VBN and|CC is|VBZ in|IN the|DT notebook|NN before|IN you|PRP as|IN P|NN 46|CD .|. 
All|DT right|JJ .|. 
Excuse|NNP me|PRP ,|, Your|PRP$ Honor|NNP .|. 
I|PRP just|RB want|VBP to|TO make|VB sure|JJ that|IN this|DT testimony|NN ,|, to|TO the|DT extent|NN it|PRP relates|VBZ to|TO the|DT newspaper|NN article|NN ,|, is|VBZ subject|JJ to|TO our|PRP$ standing|NN objection|NN .|. 
Well|RB ,|, what|WP is|VBZ 46|CD ?|. 
It|PRP 's|VBZ a|DT June|NNP 9th|CD article|NN from|IN the|DT York|NNP Daily|NNP Record|NNP .|. 
Well|RB ,|, I|PRP do|VBP n't|RB know|VB what|WP the|DT question|NN is|VBZ .|. 
It|PRP may|MD relate|VB to|TO your|PRP$ standing|NN objection|NN ,|, but|CC we|PRP 'll|MD note|VB that|DT .|. 
We|PRP 'll|MD hold|VB that|WDT thought|VBD ,|, and|CC you|PRP can|MD proceed|VB with|IN the|DT question|NN ,|, because|IN all|DT we|PRP have|VBP is|VBZ the|DT exhibit|NN that|WDT is|VBZ a|DT newspaper|NN article|NN .|. 
So|RB let|VB 's|POS proceed|VB with|IN the|DT question|NN .|. 
There|EX 's|VBZ no|DT need|VBP to|TO restate|VB your|PRP$ objection|NN ,|, unless|IN you|PRP want|VBP to|TO put|VB a|DT finer|NN point|NN on|IN the|DT objection|NN .|. 
But|CC at|IN this|DT point|NN ,|, proceed|VB with|IN your|PRP$ question|NN .|. 
BY|NNP MR|NNP .|. HARVEY|NNP Did|VBD you|PRP read|VBP this|DT article|NN on|IN or|CC around|IN June|NNP the|DT 9th|CD of|IN 2004|CD ?|. 
Yes|UH ,|, I|PRP did|VBD .|. 
And|CC following|VBG reading|VBG this|DT article|NN ,|, did|VBD you|PRP attend|VBP any|DT meeting|NN of|IN the|DT Dover|NNP Area|NNP School|NNP District|NNP ?|. 
Yes|UH ,|, I|PRP did|VBD .|. 
And|CC approximately|RB when|WRB was|VBD that|DT ?|. 
Approximately|RB the|DT end|NN of|IN June|NNP through|IN the|DT present|NN .|. 
What|WP I|PRP 'd|MD like|VB to|TO know|VB is|VBZ if|IN you|PRP attended|VBD a|DT meeting|NN after|IN this|DT June|NNP 9th|CD --|: excuse|NN me|PRP ,|, this|DT board|NN meeting|NN that|WDT 's|VBZ reported|VBD in|IN this|DT article|NN ?|. 
Yes|UH ,|, I|PRP did|VBD .|. 
And|CC what|WP was|VBD the|DT date|NN of|IN the|DT next|JJ board|NN meeting|NN that|IN you|PRP believe|VBP you|PRP attended|VBD ?|. 
It|PRP would|MD have|VB been|VBN approximately|RB June|NNP 15th|JJ ,|, June|NNP 16th|JJ .|. 
And|CC can|MD you|PRP tell|VB us|PRP whether|IN --|: when|WRB you|PRP remember|VBP that|IN you|PRP attended|VBD this|DT board|NN meeting|NN ?|. 
When|WRB I|PRP remember|VBP that|IN I|PRP attended|VBD this|DT board|NN meeting|NN ?|. 
Yes|UH .|. 
In|IN preparation|NN for|IN trial|NN ,|, looking|VBG back|RB through|IN my|PRP$ deposition|NN testimony|NN and|CC thinking|VBG about|IN things|NNS that|WDT had|VBD happened|VBN ,|, it|PRP occurred|VBD to|TO me|PRP that|IN ,|, you|PRP know|VBP ,|, I|PRP was|VBD there|RB at|IN that|DT June|NNP meeting|NN .|. 
And|CC what|WP is|VBZ it|PRP about|IN that|DT June|NNP board|NN meeting|NN that|WDT made|VBD you|PRP remember|VBP that|IN you|PRP were|VBD there|RB ?|. 
I|PRP remember|VBP Casey|NNP Brown|NNP ,|, one|CD of|IN the|DT board|NN members|NNS at|IN the|DT time|NN ,|, discussing|VBG ,|, during|IN the|DT board|NN meeting|NN with|IN the|DT board|NN ,|, that|IN she|PRP felt|VBD they|PRP were|VBD ,|, I|PRP 'm|VBP paraphrasing|VBG ,|, treading|VBG ,|, you|PRP know|VBP ,|, on|IN --|: they|PRP were|VBD treading|VBG closely|RB to|TO violating|VBG the|DT Pennsylvania|NNP State|NNP Board|NNP of|IN Education|NNP regulations|NNS on|IN religion|NN in|IN the|DT classroom|NN .|. 
And|CC do|VBP you|PRP remember|VBP anything|NN that|WDT was|VBD said|VBN by|IN any|DT board|NN members|NNS at|IN that|DT meeting|NN that|IN you|PRP attended|VBD in|IN June|NNP of|IN 2004|CD ?|. 
Yes|UH ,|, I|PRP do|VBP .|. 
What|WP do|VBP you|PRP remember|VBP ?|. 
I|PRP remember|VBP Bill|NNP Buckingham|NNP making|VBG the|DT statement|NN ,|, years|NNS ago|RB somebody|NN died|VBD on|IN the|DT Cross|NNP ,|, ca|MD n't|RB someone|NN take|VBP a|DT stand|NN for|IN Him|PRP .|. 
Now|RB ,|, what|WP was|VBD your|PRP$ reaction|NN to|TO what|WP you|PRP saw|VBD and|CC heard|VBN at|IN the|DT board|NN meeting|NN on|IN or|CC about|IN --|: I|PRP think|VBP you|PRP said|VBD June|NNP the|DT 15th|JJ or|CC 16th|JJ ?|. 
I|PRP think|VBP ,|, for|IN the|DT record|NN ,|, it|PRP 's|VBZ established|VBN that|IN it|PRP 's|VBZ June|NNP the|DT 14th|JJ .|. 
But|CC tell|VB us|PRP ,|, what|WP was|VBD your|PRP$ reaction|NN to|TO what|WP you|PRP heard|VBD ?|. 
I|PRP was|VBD shocked|VBN .|. 
I|PRP was|VBD just|RB utterly|RB shocked|VBN .|. 
And|CC did|VBD you|PRP do|VB anything|NN in|IN response|NN to|TO that|DT ?|. 
Yes|UH ,|, I|PRP did|VBD .|. 
I|PRP had|VBD wrote|VBD a|DT letter|NN to|TO the|DT editor|NN .|. 
And|CC was|VBD that|IN before|IN or|CC after|IN you|PRP attended|VBD that|DT board|NN meeting|NN ?|. 
I|PRP wrote|VBD a|DT letter|NN to|TO the|DT editor|NN --|: I|PRP believe|VBP it|PRP was|VBD actually|RB written|VBN before|IN I|PRP attended|VBD the|DT board|NN meeting|NN ,|, but|CC it|PRP was|VBD n't|RB published|VBN until|IN after|IN that|DT June|NNP 14th|JJ board|NN meeting|NN .|. 
And|CC where|WRB did|VBD you|PRP send|VBP that|DT letter|NN to|TO the|DT editor|NN ,|, which|WDT newspaper|NN ?|. 
I|PRP submitted|VBD it|PRP to|TO the|DT three|CD local|JJ newspapers|NNS ,|, York|NNP Daily|NNP Record|NNP ,|, York|NNP Sunday|NNP News|NNP ,|, and|CC York|NNP Dispatch|NNP .|. 
And|CC did|VBD you|PRP do|VB anything|NN ,|, before|IN you|PRP sent|VBD it|PRP to|TO those|DT papers|NNS ,|, with|IN the|DT content|NN of|IN the|DT letter|NN ?|. 
Yes|UH ,|, I|PRP did|VBD .|. 
I|PRP had|VBD e-mailed|JJ a|DT letter|NN basically|RB stating|VBG the|DT same|JJ thing|NN in|IN my|PRP$ letter|NN to|TO the|DT board|NN president|NN at|IN the|DT time|NN ,|, Alan|NNP Bonsell|NNP ,|, a|DT copy|NN to|TO Dr.|NN Nilsen|NNP ,|, and|CC I|PRP mailed|VBD a|DT copy|NN to|TO Mr.|NN Buckingham|NNP .|. 
Now|RB ,|, please|VB turn|RB to|TO what|WP 's|VBZ been|VBN marked|VBN and|CC is|VBZ in|IN the|DT notebook|NN before|IN you|PRP as|IN P|NN 56|CD .|. 
Okay|UH .|. 
Do|VBP you|PRP have|VB it|PRP in|IN front|NN of|IN you|PRP ?|. 
Yes|UH ,|, I|PRP do|VBP .|. 
And|CC can|MD you|PRP tell|VB us|PRP what|WP it|PRP is|VBZ ?|. 
It|PRP looks|VBZ to|TO me|PRP to|TO be|VB a|DT copy|NN of|IN a|DT letter|NN to|TO the|DT editor|NN that|IN I|PRP wrote|VBD .|. 
And|CC I|PRP 'm|VBP going|VBG to|TO ask|VB you|PRP to|TO read|VB this|DT letter|NN into|IN the|DT record|NN .|. 
Okay|UH .|. 
Objection|NNP ,|, Your|PRP$ Honor|NNP .|. 
This|DT letter|NN is|VBZ hearsay|NN .|. 
Say|VB it|PRP again|RB .|. 
I|PRP 'm|VBP sorry|JJ .|. 
Objection|NNP ,|, hearsay|NN .|. 
Why|WRB is|VBZ it|PRP hearsay|NN ?|. 
She|PRP 's|VBZ going|VBG to|TO be|VB reading|NN in|IN the|DT letter|NN ,|, the|DT contents|NNS of|IN the|DT statement|NN .|. 
It|PRP 's|VBZ an|DT out-of-court|JJ statement|NN .|. 
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Who|WP wrote|VBD the|DT letter|NN ?|. 
She|PRP wrote|VBD the|DT letter|NN .|. 
Overruled|NNP .|. 
BY|NNP MR|NNP .|. HARVEY|NNP Please|VB .|. 
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Yes|UH ,|, it|PRP was|VBD .|. 
And|CC did|VBD you|PRP see|VBP it|PRP in|IN the|DT paper|NN ?|. 
Yes|UH ,|, I|PRP did|VBD .|. 
And|CC did|VBD you|PRP read|VBP any|DT response|NN to|TO your|PRP$ letter|NN in|IN the|DT paper|NN ?|. 
Yes|UH ,|, I|PRP did|VBD .|. 
And|CC can|MD you|PRP tell|VB us|PRP who|WP submitted|VBD --|: whose|WP$ response|NN did|VBD you|PRP read|VBP in|IN the|DT paper|NN ?|. 
It|PRP was|VBD a|DT published|JJ response|NN noting|VBG Heather|NNP Geesey|NNP as|IN the|DT author|NN .|. 
And|CC who|WP is|VBZ Heather|NNP Geesey|NNP ?|. 
She|PRP is|VBZ a|DT member|NN of|IN the|DT Dover|NNP Area|NNP School|NNP Board|NNP .|. 
And|CC her|PRP$ response|NN letter|NN was|VBD published|VBN in|IN what|WP newspaper|NN ?|. 
I|PRP believe|VBP it|PRP was|VBD either|CC the|DT York|NNP Dispatch|NNP or|CC the|DT York|NNP Daily|NNP Record|NNP .|. 
And|CC please|VB turn|RB to|TO what|WP 's|VBZ been|VBN marked|VBN in|IN the|DT notebook|NN before|IN you|PRP as|IN P|NN 60|CD .|. 
Okay|UH .|. 
Does|VBZ that|WDT help|VBP you|PRP remember|VB ,|, looking|VBG at|IN it|PRP ,|, what|WP newspaper|NN it|PRP was|VBD published|VBN in|RP ?|. 
It|PRP was|VBD published|VBN in|IN the|DT York|NNP Daily|NNP Record|NNP .|. 
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It|PRP is|VBZ a|DT letter|NN from|IN Heather|NNP Geesey|NNP to|TO the|DT editor|NN in|IN response|NN to|TO my|PRP$ letter|NN .|. 
And|CC did|VBD you|PRP see|VBP it|PRP at|IN the|DT time|NN ?|. 
Yes|UH ,|, I|PRP did|VBD .|. 
Please|VB read|VB that|IN into|IN the|DT record|NN .|. 
Objection|NNP ,|, Your|PRP$ Honor|NNP .|. 
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Do|VBP you|PRP want|VB to|TO respond|VB to|TO the|DT objection|NN ?|. 
Yes|UH ,|, Your|PRP$ Honor|NNP .|. 
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That|DT does|VBZ refresh|NN my|PRP$ recollection|NN on|IN that|DT point|NN .|. 
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Actually|RB ,|, Mr.|NN Muise|NNP may|MD be|VB at|IN a|DT disadvantage|NN here|RB .|. 
I|PRP did|VBD agree|VB with|IN Steve|NNP that|IN we|PRP -|: he|PRP has|VBZ an|DT affidavit|NN from|IN someone|NN who|WP has|VBZ indicated|VBN they|PRP have|VBP collected|VBN newspaper|NN articles|NNS .|. 
So|RB with|IN respect|NN to|TO that|DT issue|NN ,|, there|EX 's|VBZ no|DT objection|NN .|. 
I|PRP have|VBP agreed|VBN that|IN she|PRP has|VBZ authenticated|JJ what|WP she|PRP did|VBD to|TO produce|VB this|DT article|NN .|. 
All|DT right|JJ .|. 
Very|RB well|RB .|. 
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Is|VBZ that|IN correct|JJ from|IN the|DT defense|NN standpoint|NN ?|. 
That|DT is|VBZ correct|JJ ,|, Your|PRP$ Honor|NNP .|. 
That|DT 's|VBZ the|DT representation|NN that|WDT has|VBZ been|VBN made|VBN in|IN an|DT affidavit|NN ,|, and|CC I|PRP accept|VBP it|PRP .|. 
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Do|VBP you|PRP want|VB speak|VB to|TO that|DT ?|. 
Your|PRP$ Honor|NNP ,|, I|PRP would|MD also|RB note|VB that|IN it|PRP 's|VBZ an|DT admission|NN of|IN a|DT party|NN opponent|NN .|. 
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Is|VBZ that|DT correct|JJ ?|. 
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That|DT 's|VBZ one|CD of|IN the|DT issues|NNS in|IN the|DT case|NN .|. 
So|IN it|PRP could|MD go|VB to|TO truth|NN inasmuch|RB as|IN it|PRP 's|VBZ an|DT admission|NN .|. 
Is|VBZ that|DT correct|JJ ?|. 
Exactly|RB .|. 
All|DT right|JJ .|. 
Your|PRP$ Honor|NNP ,|, as|IN you|PRP know|VBP ,|, we|PRP 've|VBP got|VBN the|DT question|NN of|IN whether|IN or|CC not|RB these|DT are|VBP admissible|JJ for|IN effect|NN .|. 
Our|PRP$ position|NN on|IN that|IN we|PRP 've|VBP articulated|JJ .|. 
I|PRP do|VBP n't|RB know|VB if|IN you|PRP want|VBP us|PRP to|TO argue|VB at|IN greater|JJR length|NN or|CC brief|JJ ,|, but|CC it|PRP 's|VBZ hearsay|NN to|TO the|DT extent|NN it|PRP 's|VBZ offered|VBN for|IN the|DT truth|NN of|IN the|DT matter|NN asserted|VBD as|IN effect|NN .|. 
Well|RB ,|, I|PRP think|VBP that|IN you|PRP reserved|VBD that|DT argument|NN .|. 
We|PRP 've|VBP had|VBN that|DT discussion|NN .|. 
I|PRP 'm|VBP inclined|VBN --|: because|IN it|PRP 's|VBZ a|DT bench|NN trial|NN ,|, I|PRP 'll|MD admit|VB it|PRP conditionally|RB .|. 
Whether|IN I|PRP 'll|MD consider|VB it|PRP in|IN my|PRP$ ultimate|JJ determination|NN will|MD be|VB a|DT function|NN of|IN the|DT argument|NN that|IN I|PRP 'm|VBP allowing|VBG you|PRP to|TO reserve|VB and|CC make|VB .|. 
But|CC for|IN the|DT purpose|NN of|IN this|DT witness|NN ,|, conditionally|RB and|CC subject|JJ to|TO additional|JJ argument|NN from|IN counsel|NN ,|, we|PRP 'll|MD admit|VB the|DT letter|NN and|CC you|PRP may|MD proceed|VB .|. 
Thank|VB you|PRP ,|, Your|PRP$ Honor|NNP .|. 
BY|NNP MR|NNP .|. HARVEY|NNP Please|VB read|VB the|DT letter|NN .|. 
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I|PRP assure|VB you|PRP that|IN the|DT Dover|NNP Area|NNP School|NNP Board|NNP is|VBZ not|RB going|VBG against|IN its|PRP$ mission|NN statement|NN .|. 
In|IN fact|NN ,|, if|IN you|PRP read|VBP the|DT statement|NN ,|, it|PRP says|VBZ to|TO educate|VB our|PRP$ students|NNS so|IN that|IN they|PRP can|MD be|VB contributing|VBG members|NNS of|IN society|NN .|. 
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Our|PRP$ country|NN was|VBD founded|VBN on|IN Christian|NNP beliefs|NNS and|CC principles|NNS .|. 
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It|PRP is|VBZ just|RB a|DT fact|NN .|. 
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To|TO present|VB only|RB one|CD theory|NN or|CC to|TO give|VB one|CD option|NN would|MD be|VB directly|RB contradicting|VBG our|PRP$ mission|NN statement|NN .|. 
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It|PRP can|MD be|VB presented|VBN as|IN a|DT higher|JJR power|NN .|. 
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That|DT part|NN would|MD be|VB in|IN partnership|NN with|IN family|NN and|CC community|NN .|. 
You|PRP as|IN a|DT parent|NN can|MD teach|VB your|PRP$ child|NN your|PRP$ family|NN 's|POS ideology|NN .|. 
"|'' And|CC what|WP was|VBD your|PRP$ reaction|NN to|TO that|DT letter|NN when|WRB you|PRP read|VBP it|PRP in|IN the|DT paper|NN ,|, Mrs.|NN Eveland|NNP ?|. 
That|DT really|RB concerned|VBN me|PRP .|. 
Why|WRB ?|. 
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Yes|UH ,|, I|PRP did|VBD .|. 
And|CC which|WDT board|NN meetings|NNS did|VBD you|PRP attend|VBP ?|. 
All|DT of|IN them|PRP .|. 
And|CC do|VBP you|PRP believe|VBP that|IN --|: were|VBD you|PRP at|IN the|DT meeting|NN on|IN October|NNP the|DT 18th|JJ of|IN 2004|CD ?|. 
Yes|UH ,|, I|PRP was|VBD .|. 
And|CC did|VBD you|PRP hear|VBP the|DT board|NN discuss|VBP any|DT reason|NN for|IN adopting|VBG the|DT proposed|JJ curriculum|NN change|NN ?|. 
No|DT ,|, I|PRP did|VBD n't|RB .|. 
Do|VBP you|PRP feel|VB that|IN you|PRP 've|VBP been|VBN harmed|VBN by|IN the|DT board|NN 's|POS actions|NNS ?|. 
Yes|UH ,|, I|PRP do|VBP .|. 
And|CC please|VB tell|VB us|PRP how|WRB you|PRP believe|VBP that|IN you|PRP have|VBP been|VBN harmed|VBN by|IN the|DT board|NN 's|POS actions|NNS .|. 
I|PRP feel|VBP it|PRP 's|VBZ my|PRP$ duty|NN ,|, as|IN a|DT parent|NN ,|, to|TO introduce|VB any|DT kind|NN of|IN faith-based|JJ concept|NN to|TO my|PRP$ children|NNS ,|, not|RB the|DT Dover|NNP Area|NNP School|NNP District|NNP .|. 
While|IN my|PRP$ children|NNS are|VBP small|JJ ,|, you|PRP know|VBP ,|, this|DT policy|NN is|VBZ district-wide|JJ ,|, and|CC there|EX 's|VBZ nothing|NN to|TO prevent|VB it|PRP from|IN being|VBG trickled|JJ down|RB into|IN the|DT elementary|JJ level|NN .|. 
It|PRP 's|VBZ just|RB something|NN that|IN I|PRP feel|VBP strongly|RB that|IN my|PRP$ husband|NN and|CC I|PRP ,|, that|DT 's|VBZ our|PRP$ task|NN to|TO bring|VB faith|NN to|TO our|PRP$ children|NNS .|. 
Thank|VB you|PRP .|. 
No|DT further|JJ questions|NNS .|. 
All|DT right|JJ .|. 
Cross-examine|NNP ,|, Mr.|NN Muise|NNP .|. 
CROSS-EXAMINATION|NNP BY|NNP MR|NNP .|. MUISE|NNP :|: Good|JJ afternoon|NN ,|, ma'am|NN .|. 
Good|JJ afternoon|NN .|. 
You|PRP said|VBD your|PRP$ oldest|JJS child|NN is|VBZ seven|CD years|NNS old|JJ ?|. 
Yes|UH ,|, she|PRP is|VBZ .|. 
And|CC what|WP grade|NN is|VBZ she|PRP in|RP ?|. 
She|PRP 's|VBZ a|DT second-grader|JJ .|. 
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That|DT 's|VBZ correct|JJ .|. 
Now|RB ,|, you|PRP have|VBP an|DT interest|NN in|IN science|NN .|. 
Is|VBZ that|DT correct|JJ ?|. 
Somewhat|NNP ,|, yeah|NN .|. 
I|PRP believe|VBP in|IN your|PRP$ deposition|NN you|PRP indicated|VBD in|IN your|PRP$ day-to-day|JJ events|NNS you|PRP try|VBP to|TO spark|VB your|PRP$ children|NNS 's|POS interest|NN in|IN science|NN ?|. 
Yes|UH ,|, I|PRP do|VBP .|. 
And|CC you|PRP believe|VBP it|PRP 's|VBZ important|JJ to|TO make|VB science|NN interesting|JJ for|IN your|PRP$ children|NNS ?|. 
Yes|UH ,|, I|PRP do|VBP .|. 
You|PRP do|VBP n't|RB have|VB any|DT specific|JJ training|NN in|IN evolutionary|JJ theory|NN .|. 
Correct|NNP ?|. 
No|DT ,|, I|PRP do|VBP n't|RB .|. 
I|PRP want|VBP to|TO get|VB a|DT sense|NN for|IN what|WP your|PRP$ understanding|NN is|VBZ of|IN what|WP is|VBZ going|VBG on|IN in|IN the|DT ninth-grade|JJ biology|NN class|NN that|IN your|PRP$ daughter|NN will|MD be|VB attending|VBG several|JJ years|NNS from|IN now|RB .|. 
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It|PRP is|VBZ my|PRP$ understanding|VBG ,|, yes|UH .|. 
And|CC that|IN students|NNS will|MD be|VB tested|VBN on|IN subjects|NNS that|WDT are|VBP based|VBN on|IN those|DT standards|NNS ,|, including|VBG the|DT theory|NN of|IN evolution|NN ?|. 
Yes|UH ,|, that|WDT is|VBZ my|PRP$ understanding|VBG .|. 
And|CC it|PRP 's|VBZ your|PRP$ understanding|NN that|IN the|DT students|NNS will|MD not|RB be|VB tested|VBN on|IN the|DT theory|NN of|IN intelligent|JJ design|NN ?|. 
That|DT is|VBZ also|RB my|PRP$ understanding|NN ,|, yes|UH .|. 
Is|VBZ it|PRP also|RB your|PRP$ understanding|NN that|IN it|PRP is|VBZ a|DT standards-based|JJ district|NN ,|, so|RB classroom|NN instruction|NN will|MD focus|VB on|IN achieving|VBG those|DT standard-based|JJ assessments|NNS in|IN which|WDT they|PRP will|MD eventually|RB be|VB tested|VBN on|RP ?|. 
Yes|UH .|. 
And|CC intelligent|JJ design|NN is|VBZ not|RB part|VB of|IN those|DT standard-based|JJ assessments|NNS ?|. 
As|RB far|RB as|IN my|PRP$ understanding|NN ,|, yes|UH ,|, it|PRP is|VBZ currently|RB not|RB .|. 
And|CC these|DT board|NN meetings|NNS that|IN you|PRP attended|VBD in|IN June|NNP ,|, the|DT controversy|NN was|VBD surrounding|VBG the|DT purchase|NN of|IN a|DT biology|NN text|NN for|IN the|DT class|NN .|. 
Correct|NNP ?|. 
Yes|UH .|. 
Do|VBP you|PRP know|VBP which|WDT book|NN it|PRP was|VBD that|IN the|DT controversy|NN was|VBD about|RP ?|. 
I|PRP believe|VBP at|IN the|DT time|NN it|PRP was|VBD the|DT Miller|NNP and|CC Levine|NNP biology|NN text|NN .|. 
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That|DT 's|VBZ correct|JJ .|. 
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Well|RB ,|, with|IN regard|NN to|TO the|DT biology|NN book|NN ?|. 
With|IN regard|NN to|TO the|DT biology|NN book|NN for|IN the|DT ninth-grade|JJ class|NN .|. 
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And|CC so|IN they|PRP ended|VBD up|RP purchasing|VBG the|DT version|NN ?|. 
Yes|UH ,|, they|PRP did|VBD .|. 
Yes|UH ,|, they|PRP did|VBD .|. 
Have|VBP you|PRP seen|VBN that|DT book|NN ?|. 
I|PRP have|VBP briefly|NN looked|VBN at|IN it|PRP .|. 
Now|RB ,|, my|PRP$ understanding|NN is|VBZ you|PRP went|VBD to|TO these|DT board|NN meetings|NNS in|IN June|NNP because|IN of|IN the|DT controversy|NN over|IN the|DT biology|NN book|NN ?|. 
Yeah|UH ,|, part|NN of|IN it|PRP .|. 
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It|PRP was|VBD available|JJ on|IN the|DT table|NN where|WRB the|DT board|NN was|VBD sitting|VBG ,|, and|CC I|PRP went|VBD up|RB front|NN and|CC took|VBD a|DT look|NN at|IN it|PRP for|IN maybe|RB a|DT minute|NN or|CC two|CD .|. 
In|IN those|DT two|CD minutes|NNS that|IN you|PRP spent|VBD actually|RB looking|VBG at|IN the|DT book|NN that|WDT was|VBD the|DT center|NN of|IN this|DT controversy|NN ,|, was|VBD there|RB anything|NN in|IN that|DT two-minute|JJ review|NN that|IN you|PRP saw|VBD that|IN you|PRP objected|VBD to|TO ?|. 
No.|NN 
I|PRP just|RB basically|RB looked|VBD through|IN the|DT table|NN of|IN contents|NNS quickly|RB .|. 
Is|VBZ it|PRP your|PRP$ understanding|NN that|IN that|DT book|NN that|WDT was|VBD eventually|RB purchased|VBN by|IN the|DT Dover|NNP Area|NNP School|NNP District|NNP covers|VBZ the|DT theory|NN of|IN evolution|NN consistent|JJ with|IN its|PRP$ status|NN in|IN the|DT scientific|JJ community|NN ?|. 
That|DT 's|VBZ my|PRP$ understanding|NN ,|, yes|UH .|. 
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Fairly|NNP contentious|JJ ,|, yes|UH .|. 
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I|PRP remember|VBP it|PRP being|VBG mentioned|VBN .|. 
I|PRP can|MD not|RB give|VB you|PRP a|DT specific|JJ date|NN .|. 
The|DT dates|NNS run|VBP together|RB after|IN a|DT while|NN .|. 
How|WRB about|IN mentioning|VBG the|DT theory|NN of|IN intelligent|JJ design|NN ,|, do|VBP you|PRP recall|VBP when|WRB you|PRP may|MD have|VB heard|VBN that|DT theory|NN first|RB mentioned|VBN ?|. 
To|TO the|DT best|JJS of|IN my|PRP$ recollection|NN ,|, it|PRP was|VBD first|RB mentioned|VBN June|NNP ,|, July|NNP sometime|RB .|. 
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During|IN these|DT public|JJ comments|NNS that|WDT precipitated|VBD some|DT of|IN those|DT statements|NNS that|IN you|PRP were|VBD referring|VBG to|TO ,|, was|VBD it|PRP your|PRP$ impression|NN that|IN Mr.|NN Buckingham|NNP and|CC Mr.|NN Noel|NNP Weinrich|NNP were|VBD taking|VBG the|DT comments|NNS as|IN being|VBG personally|RB directed|VBN toward|IN them|PRP ?|. 
Not|RB only|RB them|PRP ,|, but|CC the|DT vast|JJ majority|NN of|IN board|NN members|NNS ,|, yes|UH ,|, they|PRP were|VBD .|. 
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Yeah|UH .|. 
Now|RB ,|, the|DT first|JJ meeting|NN you|PRP attended|VBD in|IN July|NNP ,|, you|PRP spoke|VBD with|IN Joe|NNP Maldonado|NNP .|. 
Correct|NNP ?|. 
Yes|UH .|. 
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I|PRP guess|VBP my|PRP$ question|NN is|VBZ ,|, the|DT first|JJ meeting|NN that|IN you|PRP attended|VBD in|IN July|NNP --|: 
Yes|UH ,|, I|PRP had|VBD spoken|VBN to|TO Joe|NNP Maldonado|NNP .|. 
And|CC who|WP is|VBZ Joe|NNP Maldonado|NNP ?|. 
It|PRP 's|VBZ my|PRP$ understanding|NN he|PRP is|VBZ a|DT reporter|NN with|IN the|DT York|NNP Dispatch|NNP .|. 
And|CC during|IN this|DT conversation|NN ,|, he|PRP approached|VBD you|PRP and|CC asked|VBD if|IN you|PRP had|VBD read|VBN or|CC were|VBD familiar|JJ with|IN some|DT comments|NNS that|IN he|PRP had|VBD quoted|VBN in|IN the|DT paper|NN ,|, and|CC those|DT were|VBD Mr.|NN Buckingham|NNP 's|POS comments|NNS .|. 
Correct|NNP ?|. 
Yes|UH ,|, he|PRP had|VBD .|. 
And|CC he|PRP asked|VBD you|PRP what|WP your|PRP$ thoughts|NNS were|VBD about|IN those|DT comments|NNS ?|. 
Yes|UH ,|, he|PRP did|VBD .|. 
And|CC he|PRP also|RB asked|VBD you|PRP if|IN you|PRP would|MD ask|VB for|IN Mr.|NN Buckingham|NNP 's|POS resignation|NN on|IN the|DT spot|NN .|. 
Correct|NNP ?|. 
That|DT 's|VBZ correct|JJ .|. 
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I|PRP told|VBD him|PRP that|IN I|PRP would|MD just|RB sit|VB back|RB and|CC wait|VB and|CC see|VB what|WP happened|VBD .|. 
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There|RB is|VBZ that|DT possibility|NN of|IN trying|VBG to|TO elicit|NN something|NN sensational|JJ ,|, but|CC I|PRP think|VBP he|PRP was|VBD also|RB trying|VBG to|TO prepare|VB for|IN what|WP might|MD happen|VB later|RB on|IN in|IN the|DT meeting|NN since|IN they|PRP tended|VBD to|TO denigrate|NN in|IN shouting|VBG matches|NNS .|. 
May|NNP I|PRP approach|VBP this|DT witness|NN ,|, Your|PRP$ Honor|NNP ?|. 
THE|DT COURT|NN :|: You|PRP may|MD .|. 
BY|NNP MR|NNP .|. MUISE|NNP Ma'am|NNP ,|, I|PRP 'm|VBP handing|VBG you|PRP what|WP is|VBZ your|PRP$ deposition|NN testimony|NN that|IN you|PRP gave|VBD on|IN March|NNP 28th|JJ of|IN 2005|CD .|. 
And|CC I|PRP 'd|MD like|VB you|PRP to|TO read|VB ,|, if|IN you|PRP look|VBP on|IN Page|NNP 64|CD ,|, read|VBP from|IN Line|NNP 18|CD through|IN 25|CD ,|, and|CC then|RB we|PRP 'll|MD continue|VB on|IN the|DT next|JJ page|NN once|RB you|PRP finish|VBP that|DT .|. 
"|'' The|DT first|JJ board|NN meeting|NN I|PRP attended|VBD in|IN July|NNP he|PRP approached|VBD me|PRP before|IN the|DT meeting|NN started|VBD and|CC asked|VBD if|IN I|PRP had|VBD read|VBN the|DT --|: if|IN I|PRP was|VBD familiar|JJ with|IN the|DT comments|NNS that|WDT were|VBD quoted|VBN in|IN the|DT paper|NN .|. 
I|PRP told|VBD him|PRP just|RB simply|RB what|WP I|PRP had|VBD read|VBN .|. 
"|'' He|PRP asked|VBD me|PRP what|WP I|PRP thought|VBD about|IN it|PRP ,|, and|CC I|PRP said|VBD ,|, The|DT comments|NNS ,|, I|PRP do|VBP n't|RB feel|VB that|WDT is|VBZ appropriate|JJ .|. 
He|PRP asked|VBD me|PRP if|IN I|PRP asked|VBD for|IN Mr.|NN Buckingham|NNP 's|POS resignation|NN on|IN the|DT spot|NN .|. 
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"|'' And|CC the|DT next|JJ line|NN ,|, Line|NNP 3|CD ,|, is|VBZ a|DT question|NN which|WDT states|NNS ,|, "|'' When|WRB Mr.|NN Maldonado|NNP asked|VBD you|PRP that|DT question|NN ,|, do|VBP you|PRP have|VBP a|DT sense|NN for|IN why|WRB ?|. 
"|'' Could|MD you|PRP plead|VB read|VB your|PRP$ answer|NN ,|, which|WDT is|VBZ Lines|NNPS 5|CD through|IN 8|CD .|. 
"|'' Yeah|UH .|. 
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It|PRP was|VBD my|PRP$ first|JJ board|NN meeting|NN .|. 
I|PRP just|RB wanted|VBD to|TO sit|VB back|RB and|CC see|VB what|WP would|MD happen|VB .|. 
"|'' Were|VBD you|PRP testifying|VBG truthfully|RB during|IN that|DT deposition|NN ?|. 
Yes|UH ,|, I|PRP was|VBD ,|, to|TO the|DT best|JJS of|IN my|PRP$ knowledge|NN .|. 
You|PRP 've|VBP had|VBN additional|JJ discussions|NNS with|IN Mr.|NN Maldonado|NNP about|IN the|DT happenings|NNS with|IN the|DT board|NN .|. 
Correct|NNP ?|. 
Yeah|UH .|. 
And|CC you|PRP also|RB had|VBD conversations|NNS with|IN Ms.|NN Heidi|NNP Bubb|NNP ?|. 
Yes|UH .|. 
And|CC she|PRP 's|VBZ a|DT reporter|NN ?|. 
Yes|UH .|. 
For|IN which|WDT paper|NN ?|. 
She|PRP 's|VBZ a|DT reporter|NN for|IN the|DT Dispatch|NNP .|. 
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I|PRP believe|VBP he|PRP is|VBZ actually|RB a|DT reporter|NN for|IN the|DT Daily|NNP Record|NNP .|. 
I|PRP believe|VBP you|PRP testified|VBD in|IN your|PRP$ deposition|NN that|IN after|IN the|DT complaint|NN was|VBD filed|VBN ,|, you|PRP actually|RB spoke|VBD with|IN Ms.|NN Heidi|NNP Bubb|NNP quite|RB a|DT bit|NN ?|. 
Yes|UH ,|, at|IN the|DT board|NN meetings|NNS .|. 
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I|PRP 'm|VBP sorry|JJ ,|, ma'am|NN ,|, could|MD you|PRP --|: 
I|PRP said|VBD ,|, I|PRP do|VBP n't|RB recall|VB whether|IN or|CC not|RB I|PRP did|VBD say|VB that|IN I|PRP had|VBD spoken|VBN with|IN her|PRP after|IN suit|NN was|VBD filed|VBN .|. 
I|PRP mean|VBP ,|, if|IN that|DT 's|VBZ what|WP it|PRP says|VBZ in|IN my|PRP$ deposition|NN testimony|NN ,|, that|DT 's|VBZ what|WP I|PRP testified|VBD to|TO at|IN the|DT time|NN .|. 
Let|VB 's|PRP go|VB to|TO Page|NNP 68|CD of|IN your|PRP$ deposition|NN transcript|NN ,|, ma'am|NN .|. 
Okay|UH .|. 
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"|'' And|CC in|IN reference|NN of|IN the|DT --|: if|IN you|PRP look|VBP above|RB ,|, it|PRP 's|VBZ referring|VBG to|TO Ms.|NN Heidi|NNP Bubb|NNP .|. 
Can|MD you|PRP read|VB what|WP your|PRP$ answer|NN was|VBD on|IN Lines|NNPS 17|CD through|IN 21|CD ?|. 
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Especially|RB after|IN the|DT complaint|NN was|VBD filed|VBN ,|, I|PRP spoke|VBD with|IN her|PRP$ a|DT lot|NN .|. 
She|PRP would|MD ask|VB me|PRP occasionally|RB my|PRP$ thoughts|NNS ,|, public|JJ comment|NN ,|, what|WP I|PRP thought|VBD --|: why|WRB I|PRP thought|VBD the|DT board|NN was|VBD doing|VBG what|WP they|PRP were|VBD doing|VBG ,|, those|DT such|JJ things|NNS .|. 
"|'' Now|RB ,|, back|RB in|IN July|NNP or|CC August|NNP ,|, 2004|CD ,|, you|PRP had|VBD communications|NNS with|IN the|DT National|NNP Center|NNP for|IN Science|NNP Education|NNP ?|. 
Yes|UH .|. 
I|PRP believe|VBP you|PRP joined|VBD the|DT Listserv|NNP ?|. 
Yes|UH .|. 
And|CC you|PRP also|RB had|VBD a|DT discussion|NN with|IN them|PRP regarding|VBG an|DT interview|NN with|IN the|DT AP|NNP ?|. 
It|PRP was|VBD a|DT brief|JJ e-mail|JJ exchange|NN ,|, but|CC yes|UH .|. 
Did|VBD you|PRP do|VBP that|DT interview|NN ?|. 
No|DT ,|, I|PRP did|VBD not|RB .|. 
Ma'am|NNP ,|, do|VBP you|PRP understand|VBP that|IN the|DT statement|NN that|WDT 's|VBZ going|VBG to|TO be|VB read|VBN to|TO the|DT students|NNS in|IN the|DT ninth-grade|JJ biology|NN class|NN was|VBD modified|VBN in|IN June|NNP of|IN 2005|CD ?|. 
Yes|UH ,|, I|PRP do|VBP .|. 
And|CC do|VBP you|PRP understand|VBP that|IN that|DT modification|NN indicated|VBD that|IN the|DT book|NN Of|IN Pandas|NNP and|CC People|NNS would|MD be|VB in|IN the|DT library|NN along|IN with|IN other|JJ resources|NNS regarding|VBG intelligent|JJ design|NN ?|. 
Yes|UH .|. 
And|CC is|VBZ it|PRP your|PRP$ understanding|NN that|IN those|DT other|JJ resources|NNS included|VBD books|NNS that|WDT are|VBP actually|RB critical|JJ of|IN intelligent|JJ design|NN ?|. 
Yes|UH .|. 
Do|VBP you|PRP have|VB any|DT objection|NN to|TO that|DT ?|. 
No|DT ,|, I|PRP do|VBP n't|RB .|. 
Now|RB ,|, you|PRP testified|VBD about|IN the|DT harm|NN that|IN you|PRP 've|VBP received|VBN based|VBN on|IN these|DT statements|NNS and|CC the|DT comments|NNS and|CC the|DT actions|NNS of|IN the|DT board|NN .|. 
I|PRP 'd|MD like|VB you|PRP to|TO go|VB to|TO your|PRP$ deposition|NN transcript|NN ,|, if|IN you|PRP could|MD ,|, to|TO Page|NNP 101|CD .|. 
Okay|UH .|. 
If|IN you|PRP 'd|MD read|VB from|IN Line|NNP 16|CD ,|, which|WDT presents|VBZ the|DT question|NN ,|, until|IN Line|NNP 2|CD of|IN the|DT next|JJ page|NN .|. 
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And|CC when|WRB board|NN members|NNS are|VBP questioned|VBN at|IN meetings|NNS ,|, they|PRP really|RB do|VBP n't|RB answer|VB any|DT questions|NNS .|. 
So|IN it|PRP gives|VBZ this|DT whole|JJ illusion|NN of|IN secrecy|NN to|TO the|DT process|NN ,|, which|WDT ,|, you|PRP know|VBP ,|, may|MD be|VB a|DT big|JJ part|NN of|IN the|DT problem|NN .|. 
It|PRP may|MD just|RB be|VB a|DT big|JJ misunderstanding|VBG .|. 
"|'' Were|VBD you|PRP testifying|VBG truthfully|RB when|WRB you|PRP answered|VBD that|DT question|NN ?|. 
Yes|UH ,|, I|PRP was|VBD .|. 
No|DT further|JJ questions|NNS ,|, Your|PRP$ Honor|NNP .|. 
Redirect|NNP ?|. 
No|DT ,|, Your|PRP$ Honor|NNP .|. 
All|DT right|JJ .|. 
Then|RB ,|, ma'am|NN ,|, we|PRP thank|VBP you|PRP .|. 
You|PRP may|MD step|VB down|RB .|. 
This|DT is|VBZ probably|RB an|DT appropriate|JJ time|NN for|IN us|PRP to|TO end|VB today|NN .|. 
We|PRP will|MD do|VB so|RB by|IN admitting|VBG the|DT exhibits|NNS that|IN we|PRP need|VBP to|TO ,|, if|IN we|PRP need|VBP to|TO .|. 
P|NN 46|CD is|VBZ the|DT York|NNP Daily|NNP Record|NNP article|NN .|. 
I|PRP assume|VBP we|PRP 're|VBP going|VBG to|TO withhold|VB admitting|VBG that|IN pending|VBG further|JJ proceedings|NNS .|. 
Is|VBZ that|DT right|NN ,|, Mr.|NN Harvey|NNP ?|. 
Yes|UH .|. 
We|PRP 'll|MD move|VB it|PRP in|IN after|IN another|DT witness|NN ,|, Your|PRP$ Honor|NNP .|. 
P|NN 56|CD is|VBZ the|DT witness|NN 's|POS letter|NN to|TO the|DT editor|NN .|. 
Are|VBP you|PRP moving|VBG for|IN the|DT admission|NN of|IN P|NN 56|CD ?|. 
Yes|UH ,|, Your|PRP$ Honor|NNP .|. 
Now|RB ,|, you|PRP 've|VBP stated|VBN an|DT objection|NN to|TO that|DT .|. 
The|DT objection|NN is|VBZ noted|VBN .|. 
You|PRP do|VBP n't|RB have|VB to|TO restate|VB it|PRP .|. 
And|CC I|PRP will|MD note|VB the|DT objection|NN .|. 
Do|VBP you|PRP have|VB any|DT additional|JJ objections|NNS you|PRP want|VBP to|TO make|VB to|TO that|DT ?|. 
Not|RB at|IN this|DT time|NN ,|, Your|PRP$ Honor|NNP .|. 
That|DT 's|VBZ it|PRP .|. 
All|DT right|JJ .|. 
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P|NN 60|CD is|VBZ the|DT letter|NN from|IN School|NNP Board|NNP Member|NNP Geesey|NNP to|TO the|DT editor|NN again|RB .|. 
I|PRP think|VBP I|PRP noted|VBD that|IN it|PRP was|VBD admitted|VBN .|. 
Over|IN the|DT objection|NN already|RB of|IN the|DT defendants|NNS ,|, we|PRP 'll|MD reaffirm|VB that|RB ,|, but|CC you|PRP can|MD make|VB any|DT other|JJ objections|NNS you|PRP want|VBP to|TO on|IN the|DT record|NN ,|, but|CC I|PRP think|VBP that|WDT was|VBD thoroughly|RB argued|VBN at|IN that|DT time|NN .|. 
That|DT 's|VBZ correct|JJ ,|, Your|PRP$ Honor|NNP .|. 
All|DT right|JJ .|. 
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With|IN everybody|NN 's|POS indulgence|NN ,|, I|PRP would|MD expect|VB to|TO go|VB to|TO approximately|RB 5|CD o'clock|RB ,|, no|RB later|RBR than|IN 5|CD o'clock|RB tomorrow|NN to|TO make|VB up|RP for|IN the|DT time|NN that|IN we|PRP lose|VBP during|IN the|DT morning|NN session|NN .|. 
So|IN we|PRP will|MD stand|VB in|IN recess|NN until|IN 9:30|NN a.m.|NN on|IN Thursday|NNP .|. 
We|PRP thank|VBP you|PRP all|DT .|. 
(|( Whereupon|NNP ,|, the|DT proceedings|NNS were|VBD adjourned|VBN at|IN 4:20|NN p.m.|NN 
)|) CERTIFICATION|NNP I|PRP hereby|NN certify|VB that|IN the|DT proceedings|NNS and|CC evidence|NN are|VBP contained|VBN fully|RB and|CC accurately|RB in|IN the|DT notes|NNS taken|VBN by|IN me|PRP on|IN the|DT within|IN proceedings|NNS and|CC that|IN this|DT copy|NN is|VBZ a|DT correct|JJ transcript|NN of|IN the|DT same|JJ .|. 
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